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June 15, 2012	Good article nominee	Listed

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The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that the Leona Lewis (pictured) song "Homeless" was written by Swedish songwriter Jörgen Elofsson?

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Credits[edit]

If anyone has specifically the deluxe edition of Spirit, or perhaps the original if you are from the UK, then could someone tell me the info about "Homeless" please, such as recording location, instrumentalists, mixers etc. Thanks. Aaron • ^{You Da One} 17:00, 25 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

DYK nomination[edit]

GA Review[edit]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

This review is transcluded from Talk:Homeless (song)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Hahc21 (talk · contribs) 00:00, 15 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Well. Since the user is semi-retired, i'll be handling the review alone. Any help will be gladly received.

Review[edit]

First comments[edit]

Lead paragraph too large; I split it into two.
Moved sample to thcomposition section.
Deleted redundance "3:50 (3 minutes, 50 seconds)" >> "three minutes and 50 seconds."
"The song was composed in the key B minor using common time" >> "The song was composed on common time in the key..."

Prose comments[edit]

Cover

I think that this is a cover from Leona, this song was written by Jörgen Elofsson, but for Darin Zanyar, a swedish singer, in 2006 for his album "Breaking the news".

I suggest you include Darin as an original performer — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ha kam ash (talk • contribs) 22:33, 28 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Composition

"to come home to where she is waiting for him, but feels homeless without him."

Some redundant use of "him". May recommend change the second "him" with "his presence"

Done Aaron • ^{You Da One}

"The opening lyrics are "Wait here for you to call me/ For you to tell me that ev'rything's a big mistake."

Propose a change to "The song opens with Lewis singing..."; and, however, this sentence seems to be an orphan, not connected woth the rest of the paragraph. Which is the importance of it?

It's the composition section, I'm just saying what the opening lyric is. Nothing wrong with that. Aaron • ^{You Da One}

Reception

"Nick Levine for Digital Spy described Lewis's vocals in the lyric "In this cold I'm walking aimless, feeling helpless" as "a tour de force of despair and misery"

Some bad wording.

Lewis's >> Lewis'.

Done Aaron • ^{You Da One}

"Although he thought that the song was "almost unbearably bleak","

Redundant use of –though/t?

It's a comparison, so it's needed. Aaron • ^{You Da One}

The critical section is lacking some order. The sentences seemed to be separate statements rather than a whole paragraph. It needs cohesiveness between the sentences.

Tracklisting

Why it has two versions on the TL? They're musically different? Or just on different albums?

Musically different, apparently. Aaron • ^{You Da One}

Charts

"debuted at number 173 on the strength of digital download sales..."

"on the strength"?

Yep. Aaron • ^{You Da One}

That's all for now. —Hahc21 ^{[TALK][CONTRIBS]} 01:18, 15 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Verdict[edit]

Ok, nothing else to note.

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)
It is reasonably well written. a (prose): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists): It is factually accurate and verifiable. a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): It is broad in its coverage. a (major aspects): b (focused): It follows the neutral point of view policy. Fair representation without bias: It is stable. No edit wars, etc.: It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate. a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Overall: Pass/Fail:
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—Hahc21 ^{[TALK][CONTRIBS]} 20:00, 15 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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This article needs renaming[edit]

It needs renaming to Homeless (Leona Lewis song), it needs more information, and the standard of writing/presentation needs to be improved.

Re the name, it should be like Sometimes (Britney Spears song) and checkout Blue (The Birthday Massacre song), Blue (Joni Mitchell song), Blue (Bill Mack song), Blue (A Perfect Circle song), Blue (The Rasmus song), Blue (The Verve song) and Blue (Da Ba Dee).

Comments? Moriori (talk) 23:45, 1 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The disambiguation is fine. There is only one song article called Homeless, and this is it. No need to disambiguate Leona Lewis in the name. Also, the prose is fine. So is the presentation. AARON• ^TALK 00:44, 2 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hmmm. Homeless is a song written by Jörgen Elofsson. It was sung on Idol in 2004 in Sweden by Darin. In 2006 it was on his third album Break the News which went straight to number 1 on the album charts and certified gold in its first week of sales. It was also released internationally. Late in 2007 Leona Lewis released her first album called [[Spirit (Leona Lewis album)|Spirit, which included the track Homeless.

If the title of this article is to remain Homeless (song) then it has to incorporate the Darin version, and not give the impression it is uniquely a Lewis song.

If the article is to mention only Lewis then the title needs to be changed to Homeless (Leona Lewis song).

I am surprised to see you say the presentation is fine. It's a long time since I saw an article with such glaring and jarring repetition, and probably never in an article with only four paragraphs.

First paragraph: "The song was written by Swedish songwriter Jörgen Elofsson and produced by Steve Mac.
Second parapraph: "Homeless was written by Swedish songwriter Jörgen Elofsson, and produced by Steve Mac".
First paragraph: "The song's lyrics revolve around Lewis singing about waiting for her boyfriend to come home to where she is waiting for him, but feels homeless without him"
Second paragraph: "The song's lyrics revolve around Lewis singing about waiting for her boyfriend to come home to where she is waiting for him, but feels homeless without his presence"
Sidebar: "...Lewis singing about waiting for her boyfriend to come home to where she is waiting for him, but feels homeless without him."

Moriori (talk) 02:01, 2 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Her's is the only one that charted, so her's is the only one that matters. AARON• ^TALK 02:08, 2 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

That is a non neutral POV. The second of the WP:Five pillars says the following -- "Editors' personal experiences, interpretations, or opinions do not belong here." With that in mind, would you like to have another go at answering the points I made. Moriori (talk) 02:59, 2 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

What other song is called "Homeless" that has a Wikipedia article? Statυs (talk) 16:05, 2 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

There isn't. That is what Moriori is failing to understanding and why his entire point is redundant. AARON• ^TALK 16:09, 2 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Moriori, your examples are for songs that have the same title by different artists. There are no other song's named "Homeless" with Wikipedia articles. So therefore, "Leona Lewis" is not needed to differentiate. Statυs (talk) 16:11, 2 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move[edit]

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was moved. --BDD (talk) 17:32, 16 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Homeless (song) → Homeless (Leona Lewis song) – The current title fails WP:CRITERIA on precision and the first paragraph of WP:DAB. A much better known and more notable song, Homeless (Paul Simon and Ladysmith Black Mambazo song), is now a standalone article but already received en.wikipedia coverage on Graceland (album) and Ladysmith Black Mambazo articles. Both the Paul Simon and Ladysmith Black Mambazo versions appear near the top of Amazon.com mp3 sales for songs called "Homeless", Leona Lewis' doesn't appear till the 3rd page after dozens of other songs called "Homeless". In print sources Homeless + Ladysmith Black Mambazo gets 439 Google Books results, this song pulls up only 4 results, one of which is "Pop singer Leona Lewis saves a bunny from a homeless guy In Los Angeles who was planning to eat it." which maybe should be added to the article. :) In ictu oculi (talk) 09:09, 9 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Support: There are other songs with this name that are covered on Wikipedia, and this one does not seem to be the most notable. I generally believe that the names of artists should be included in the titles of articles about their songs and albums. That makes the titles more clear and recognizable, and avoids future maintenance headaches over whether to consider some particular song or album as primary. New releases often appear with the same names, and the popularity of music is volatile. WP:NCM supports this view. —BarrelProof (talk) 18:59, 9 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Support WP:NCM -- 76.65.131.217 (talk) 04:33, 10 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Would like to say that it should have been moved per WP:PDAB but that's gone now (thus causing more RM discussions?). But I agree with everyone else's supports. –anemone projectors– 09:41, 10 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Support per WP:SONGDAB which reads pretty much the same as WP:PDAB in any event. --Richhoncho (talk) 13:11, 10 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.