Talk:Hong Kong nationalism

Historical inaccuracies, poor translations, and odd assumptions

As someone who specialized partially in Hong Kong history in their university days, this article was clearly written by someone who is not too familiar with Hong Kong history and culture.

• The second paragraph of the lead does not fulfill MOS:LEAD and is more like something for a background section. In this case, it should have citations because it is not a summary of content already sourced in the article body.
• "Originally, the Guangdong area was inhabited by ancient Vietnamese people from the pre-history period to the recorded history period." — Not sure why the History section only mentions the ancient Nanyue before the Common Era and then the post-World War II period and nothing else. Any discussion of Hong Kong history in particular would begin at inhabitance immediately before the British lease, not ancient times where the exact area was completely irrelevant. Neither paragraph in the section even references or attempts to connect with the idea of Hong Kong nationalism.
• The Chinese-language source given for the second paragraph in the History section only verifies the last sentence particle in the last sentence, that "[Mainland Chinese who lived under the CCP] had more anti-communist sentiments than Hong Kongers who did not experience CCP rule." The other assertions made in the article are not verified in the source given, and to me they seem quite ludicrous.
  • "Those who fled to Hong Kong did not go to the Kuomintang-ruled Taiwan because they experienced hunger and political struggle under the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) ..." Ignoring all background knowledge, how does this sentence even make sense? Where is the correlation between starving under the CCP and fleeing to KMT-ruled Taiwan? There is no explanation of the comparison. This assertion is, of course, historically inaccurate as well. Many mainlanders fled to Hong Kong because it's easier to illegally cross the border into British Hong Kong than it is to sail a boat thousands of kilometers to Taiwan, especially at the height of Cold War-era Cross Strait tensions. The waves of emigration from the mainland to Taiwan and the mainland to Hong Kong came at completely different periods, with the former peaking immediately after the communists took control and the latter coming in waves afterwards, as it was obviously easier to cross an immediate border than sail across the strait.
• "The concept of Hong Kong people's "national self-determination" (民族自決) is the core concept of Hong Kong nationalism; it is identifying the Hong Kong people as the 'Hong Kong nation' (香港民族) rather than the 'Chinese nation' (中華民族). Hong Kong nationalism was formed to oppose the colonialism and imperialism of United Kingdom ("British Empire") in the past and mainland China ("Chinese imperialism") in the present." Unsourced, and reads like one person's or one organisation's idea of what Hong Kong self-determination is. The final sentence is particularly ridiculous. First of all, when does the editor think that Hong Kong nationalism was formed? It definitely wasn't during British rule, when ethnic / national identity in the city was tied with being ethnically Chinese or being British (white, non-Chinese British subject), and when a supermajority of the population answered that they supported the status quo of British rule in polls and surveys.
• Anti-mainland Chinese sentimet [sic] section is unsourced. The particular controversy mentioned, the Dolce & Gabbana Photo Ban, could be viewed as an example of Hong Kong nationalism, but this has to be established by reliable sources, not the editors' original analyses.

I am removing unsourced content from this article. This is a poorly written, historically inaccurate article which at parts reads like a post-2014 historical fantasy. Yue🌙 18:12, 16 March 2024 (UTC)