Talk:Howell Harris

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Howell Harris & Hywell Harris[edit]

This should be under HYWEL HARRIS. I was looking for it under Hywel and did not find it. At least add an alias. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.177.9.65 (talk) 21:21, 17 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

His name is Hywel[edit]

'Howell' is not his name; his name is Hywel. So what if the English anglicised it? If there's ever an article on wikipedia about me and you anglicise my name, I'm going to be pretty annoyed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.147.47.159 (talk) 17:54, 6 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This has now been corrected. Peter (talk) 16:15, 11 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Er, I think you need to look more closely at this, Peter. Your summary says moved Howell Harris to Hywel Harris: Correct Welsh name, as used in the article and by most links pointing to this article. As a Welsh-family historian, I see where you guys are coming from. However, it is simply not true that the sources and links support the Welsh spelling. In particular, the 'anglicised' spelling is used by no less an authority than the Welsh National Library as well as all but one of the article's external links. Please remember that anglicised spellings were official in Wales even in the 18th century. Will you now go through English Wikipedia and change Welsh 'Griffith' to 'Gruffydd' and 'David' to 'Dafydd'? I don't think so! (Welsh Wikipedia is quite a different matter, of course.) Over to you. Cheers, Bjenks (talk) 04:47, 12 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move[edit]

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Move made, uncontested Mike Cline (talk) 15:25, 21 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]


Hywel Harris → Howell Harris – The page was recently moved to the Welsh spelling 'Hywel' without justification and against the authority of all the article's major sources. Attempts to initiate discussion with the actioning editor have not succeeded after 3 days. The Welsh Wikipedia appropriately uses the Welsh spelling. The English Wikipedia should use the official English spelling which is found to be much more common in Google results as well as in reliable sources. Bjenks (talk) 03:07, 15 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support per WP:COMMONNAME and English language sources In ictu oculi (talk) 12:43, 15 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support -- I would accept the authority of the Dictionary of Welsh Biography and similar sources. Until as recently as 50 years ago, many Welsh names were anglicised. I note that the nom is for a "no redirect" move. I think that would be a mistake. For one thing the existence of a redirect means that any further move has to go through the RM process, as only an admin can overwrite a redirect. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:03, 15 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
(Reply:When nominating this, I lacked such knowledge of the type of move implied. There should certainly be a redirect from 'Hywel Harris', and possibly also from 'Howel Harris'. My intention, when this is resolved, is to make any necessary edits for consistency. The lead par (following the example of, e.g., Saint David) should commence Howell Harris (Welsh: Hywel Harris). . . Cheers, Bjenks (talk) 16:16, 15 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note: I was too hasty in moving the page without looking through the sources and trying to locate an 'official' use of the name 'Hywel'. I fully support the move back to "Howell Harris" and I apologise for moving this page. Sorry! Peter (talk) 15:06, 18 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Peter (talk) 15:06, 18 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Thanks for so graciously clearing that up. I had noticed that you had made many similar changes elsewhere and trust that you will also unpick all those loose ends. Having waited several days for your reply, I had just taken the step of raising the issue with the Welsh talk page, but have now sent a correction there. Cheers, Bjenks (talk) 15:58, 18 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

'Reverend'[edit]

I've deleted his title- 'Reverend' - from the page. Harris was never ordained by any religious body, therefore he never held this title; any use of it in his context is posthumous honour bestowed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.99.23.237 (talk) 13:25, 8 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Trevecca College[edit]

Puzzled why there's a picture of Trevecca College on this page. It is a common mistake that the current Coleg Treveca, run by the Presbyterian Church of Wales and at the location of Howell Harris's home, is the same as the Trevecca College of the image. The Trevecca College of the image is a quarter of a mile north of Coleg Treveca on the opposite side of the road. It is now College Farm (private residence). It was established by the Countess of Huntingdon in 1768 following the expulsion of six Anglican students for being too Methodist. On the Countess's death in 1791 it moved to Cheshunt in north London. In 1906 it moved to Cambridge and in 1967 merged with Westminster College. The image on the Treveca page is the Coleg Trevaca, as would be obvious to anyone who has visited the site.212.159.190.76 (talk) 00:43, 15 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Have finally got round to correcting it.17:43, 20 November 2022 (UTC) 212.159.190.76 (talk) 17:43, 20 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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