Talk:HtmlUnit

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Proposed deletion[edit]

I object to the proposed deletion of this article. In my experience, xUnit test systems have become increasingly widespread and important in recent years, and this software fills an important niche in the xUnit ecosystem. I am hoping to be able to come back with more stats or figures to show that this is far from a moribund project, but is still fulfilling an important role among software professionals. I'm not 100% clear about the one-line objection: does "concern = non-notable product description" mean that the concern is that this is a non-notable product, or is the concern that this article represents a non-notable description of the product? Clearly which is meant would affect what would be the best line of reasoning with which to object to the proposal. Reading the template, it appears that since I object to the proposal, I may remove the template, and we can discuss the notability issue (once it's clarified) here on Talk. --Nigelj (talk) 23:08, 22 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It's a non-notable example from a wide category, tagged as such for several months. Aside from its classification as a "product" (in contrast to "person" or "company", etc), it has no information of general use. Wikipedia isn't a repository of random notes which might someday be notable. TEDickey (talk) 00:00, 23 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You might find it useful to read WP:Notability. The topic as it exists is someone's SourceForge project, likely created by the developer (look at the history of changes), and lacking any reliable third-party sources. Without those, there's no reason to keep the topic. If there were genuine interest (from the developer or users), it's odd that none has taken the time to satisfy the guidelines by demonstrating its notability TEDickey (talk) 00:15, 23 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Looking at when I "noticed" this, it was here and here, though given the topic description, "browser" doesn't fit any better than calling wget a browser. web crawler might fit better. TEDickey (talk) 00:37, 23 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

HtmlUnit is not designed for use as any kind of browser. It is part of the process of unit testing, which itself is part of Test Driven Development and Agile programming. Fairly uniquely HtmlUnit is designed to facilitate the automated testing of GUIs, specifically those using HTML, which are increasingly important. It is taught at university level, and it is widely used. That it was created and maintained by a small team (two people I thought) does not detract from this.

Here are a few references.

First, not WP:RS, but here's eveidence that it is in fairly widespread and active use: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/htmlunit?sort=votes&pageSize=15
Second, endless mentions, tutorials and examples in university level text books:
It is even cited and discussed in the Proceedings of the 11th European Conference on Information warfare and security.[1]

It may not be a consumer-level product, but it is an established and essential part of the academic and professional processes by which consumer products are developed, improved and maintained. Academics and students in these areas will regularly come across references to it, and this short article, I expect, must be very useful to those trying to understand its place and purpose. I don't deny that the article could be a lot better, but that is no reason to throw the baby out with the bathwater. --Nigelj (talk) 10:49, 23 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

yes - but sources are needed. Of the three you cited, two are "passing mentions" (first/third). The second one is somewhat meager - doesn't seem to go into detail beyond a "self-documenting" code fragment. Keep in mind that the topic as it exists is much longer than even that. A well-founded topic should be mostly in the sources, summarizing their notice of the topic. Wikipedia isn't a repository of information but a guide to the sources TEDickey (talk) 00:37, 24 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi all,

I have edited the page. There are additional references to HtmlUnit, but I don't know how to add them in "references" section without citing their actual text e.g.: