Talk:ITT Inc./Archive 1

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Other then a Pointer to one Book, I dont see much of a basis for the statement "This was not helped by the public anger due to its influence in elections in the United States and abroad, particularly in the early 1970s. On September 28, 1973, headquarters in New York City, New York was bombed by protesters for involvement in the overthrow of the democratically elected government in Chile." I have read the book that was pointed to, and I feel it to be quite baised against ITT, not neutral. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alohawolf (talk • contribs) 06:59, 6 July 2005 (UTC)

Nazi Involvement

There is an external link for Nazi involvement in the article but the article itself says nothing about this. Is this a reasonable way to present the material? RJFJR 22:31, 11 September 2005 (UTC)

I'm calling shenanigans on reformation.org, the website pointed to by the nazi reference. I'm not saying it ain't so, but the website's front page describes a geocentric solar system, and a stationary Earth, among other things and is not what I'd call a neutral source. I'd fix it, but since I'm an ITT employee, I'm gonna recuse myself. http://www.reformation.org Ojcit 22:28, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Me again. Another source for the book is here I'm not sure what the policy on unpublished sources is, but in any case the link is just sort of tacked on to the end of the article. If anyone has another source, please include it or write about it (maybe in a history section or something); the current link is a bit of a non sequitur IMO. Again, I'm not saying it's not plausible, just that we need a better source. Ojcit 22:45, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

OK, nobody seems to have a strong opinion, so I'm unrecusing myself. I'm thinking the source doesn't qualify as reliable per Wikipedia:Reliable_sources#Self-published_sources. If someone wants to write about interaction with Nazi Germany, great, but find a better source and weave it in with the company history. Ojcit 06:26, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

I have added a section on ITT’s Nazi’s involvement, and restored the link as the work points to reformation as pages on that site are from the book .Wall Street and the Rise of Hitler, which is still in print. See Amazon [1] Jamesspage 19:50, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

References

Song about ITT

Fela Kuti wrote a somewhat less than friendly song about ITT: International Thief Thief. Olav L 14:53, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Nixon tapes

A few years ago (four I think, to coincide with the 30th anniversary of Watergate) more tapes of Nixon's time in the Whitehouse were released. They were, at least back then, available on the Washington Post website and I remember listening to a 6 or 7 minute rant from Nixon to someone about ITT and trying to keep it together. It may be worthwhile tracking these down and incorporating it into the article. --BenM 17:50, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Maybe it's related to the 1972 Republican National Convention scandal. Ojcit 23:04, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

structure

No mention is made of the various segments/units within the company today. The acquisitions and divestitures are a long, complex story in their own right, but I think there should be more focus on the company's current composition. Ojcit 06:18, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

ITT Nokia

I remember seeing some electronics (TV sets, VCRs, etc.) from the early-mid '90s being branded as "ITT Nokia". What kind of relation did these companies have? --Zilog Jones 00:58, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

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Klein, Pinochet, "corporatism"

One of the opening paragraphs contains the following:

Subsequently, according to Naomi Klein's The Shock Doctrine, it was involved in operations in Pinochet's corporatist coup d'état in Chile.

This reeks of bias, as there's no mention of Chile, Pinochet, et. al. in the corporatism article, nor does it provide a specific source except for Klein's book. So I've removed it from the page until the claim can be substantiated (preferably independently of any works by Klein.) Rmsharpe (talk) 03:33, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Geneen, Hamilton, Ariskog + HQ

Conflict of interest --  : I worked for ITT from 1970-1981, at STL and at the Advanced Technology Center. (I made a technical presentation attended by all three CEO's!)

This history omits the fact the Lyman C Hamilton was briefly president between Geneen and Ariskog. Although Lyman technically became CEO in early 1977 Geneen stayed in place until the end of the year. Hamilton was CEO until August 1979, when Geneen staged a "coup" and replaced him with Ariskog. This is in the Sorbel book, and also in http://books.google.com/books?id=WUr2ZxpZ8DIC&lpg=PT200&dq=itt%20geneen%20araskog&pg=PT200#v=onepage&q=itt%20geneen%20araskog&f=false . I'll put this into the article (and the Geneen and Ariskog wikis) -- with a section break. (In a week or so). Alanf777 (talk) 20:54, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

Done. I changed the headers to separate to ITT-Alcatel section from the (incorrectly-labelled) 1995 break-up. I'll try to confirm the dates of the Alacatel deal, which was done in two stages. Alanf777 (talk) 23:08, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

The Alcatel-Lucent timeline shows the formation of Alcatel NV as 1986. Alanf777 (talk) 23:33, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

Headquarters -- added Broad street and 320 Park. The last sentence (which was OK on its own) could do with a rewrite. Alanf777 (talk) 00:22, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

I've done all I plan for now. If you change any of the stuff I put in, please alert me on my talk page. Alanf777 (talk) 00:54, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

HQ bombing needs research -- current ref 10 says Madison Ave (no such address?) was bombed by Chilean supporters, others say Park Ave was bombed by the Weather Underground. Alanf777 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 20:08, 21 December 2011 (UTC).

Ayers book says WU did/claimed it -- but it probably wasn't Park Ave HQ Alanf777 (talk) 20:32, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

I deleted the statement that Sobel wrote a book. It's ref'd in one of my sentences, and included in the links. Alanf777 (talk) 17:43, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

System 1240

In this section there should be a mention of the System 1240/12 digital exchange, which was developed starting 1977 at ATC, Shelton, CT ($1B?) -- was designed for manufacture in Europe -- and had good sales in Mexico and Europe. But a later attempt to convert it to the US market ($200M) failed. I'll look for links Alanf777 (talk) 20:03, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

I added a draft paragraph on System 1240. One of the links is broken (harvard business school) -- it goes to google cache. I'll look for better links later. Alanf777 (talk) 22:41, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

I added another link -- which confirms some of the 1240/NA statements -- though it's not a Reliable Source, I suggest leaving it in for now. Alanf777 (talk) 23:39, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

The closest date I could get for the discontinuation of the NA effort is Feb, 1986 -- but that's an indirect quote. Alanf777 (talk) 17:28, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

System 1240 is important because it was a bet-the-farm (and-lose) last-ditch (enough metaphors?) effort to keep telecomms viable with the upcoming digital revolution, and no one ITT group could afford to do it. I don't think we need the post-ITT history of Kellogg, because it has its own wiki entry. I'll move any unduplicated data from ITT to Kellog ... if nobody objects. Alanf777 (talk) 01:35, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

I included Kellogg as part of the Alacatel deal, but left Kellogg post-ITT paragraph unchanged: I think it could be deleted in its entirety. Alanf777 (talk) 17:36, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

Done .. I shuffled the rename to an earlier paragraph, and deleted the post-ITT stuff. Alanf777 (talk) 20:31, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

References

ITT vs IT&T

From history : Bobriegel (talk | contribs)‎ ... (ITT was NEVER called IT&T.....)

ITT is correct, but I wonder if we even need to point out the mis-spelling at all. And if so, it should probably be at the first sentence of the lead, not where it presently is. I changed all references. Alanf777 (talk) 20:12, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

I took out the clarification of the mis-spelling IT&T, and put a comment near the top to warn future editors Alanf777 (talk) 22:50, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

Questionable content, out of date financials post-spin-off

My name is Kathleen Bark and I’m part of the communications team at ITT Corp. I wanted to bring to the community’s attention some out-of-date financials and sector information, all of which reflect ITT before it spun off into three publicly traded companies.

Please find updated revenue, operating income, net income, total assets, total equity and employee counts in our most recent 2013 10K filing

Also, ITT is no longer really considered a conglomerate after the spin-off, but rather an industrial manufacturer. (Right-hand box on the ITT Wikipedia page.)

Similarly: ITT Exelis is now just Exelis and ITT’s current four business units are now industrial process, motion technologies, interconnect solutions and control technologies, which are found on our “About” page at itt.com/about.

Is there someone here I can work with on this?

Thank you Kathleen Bark (talk) 15:15, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

I seem to be one of the few recent editors (and see my conflict-of-interest statement, but it's not relevant to the new-new ITT). I don't see any problem with making those changes. (You're kind of stuck with a mess of a history!) I'm tied up with other stuff, but I'll look into it in a couple of weeks. Alanf777 (talk) 16:35, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

"Similarly: ITT Exelis is now just Exelis" -- I can't see a reference to "ITT Exelis" in the article. Alanf777 (talk) 16:47, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

The second paragraph of the lead "The company's water business is the world's largest supplier ..." is no longer true, because of the Exelis/Xylem spin-off. Alanf777 (talk) 16:58, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

I chopped out all the OLD stuff from the lede. It needs to be expanded a bit to reflect what the actual current company does. Alanf777 (talk) 17:09, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

I changed the conglomerate reference. Alanf777 (talk) 16:58, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

The financials need a bit more work, because they include an "increase/decrease" from the previous year. But we skip from 2010 to 2013. Kathleen -- could you please post (here in talk) the numbers (and links) for 2012 as well as 2013. Then I'll check them and add them to the article with the / indicators. Alanf777 (talk) 18:02, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for your help Alanf777! Please see the financial information you requested below with source links to the 10K filings.

2013

Revenue: $ 2.5 billion

• Operating income: $183.6 million
• Net income $488.5 million
• Total assets $3.7 billion
• Total equity $1.2billion
• Employees: 9,400

2013 10K Filing

2012

• Revenue: $ 2.2 billion
• Operating income: $151.5 million
• Net income $125.4 million
• Total assets $3.4 billion
• Total equity $703.3 million
• Employees: 9,000

2012 10K Filing

Please let me know if you need any additional information. Kathleen Bark (talk) 19:33, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

Done. Note to other editors -- I checked these figures against the 10K, but please double-check. Alanf777 (talk) 17:38, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

Just for the record, I see that Kathleen Bark's account has been deleted, presumably because she represents a company. But I think that what she did was helpful in updating the article, and entirely proper -- raising the issue in talk rather than editing the article. Alanf777 (talk) 16:00, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

References

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Updating name, financials and description

Hi… By way of introduction, my name is Kathleen and I work with ITT. I’d like some community help in addressing three out-of-date items here on the page, which would bring the article up-to-date.

Our Name: We went from "ITT Corp." to "ITT Inc." in 2016 due to the formation of a new holding company.

Source: http://itt.com/News/Releases/2016/ITT-reports-2016-first-quarter-results/

Our Financials: The current numbers are from 2013 and 2015 was announced last spring. If you like, I can update these myself since they are audited/reported numbers.

The numbers are: Revenue: US $2.5 billion, Operating Income: US $380.1 million, Net income: US $351.8 million, Total assets: US $ 3.7 billion, Total equity: US $1.4 billion, Number of employees: 9,700

Sources:

• http://www.itt.com/Investors/statements/
• http://www.itt.com/CMSPages/GetFile.aspx?guid=a058d701-c324-49c5-9c61-fcb67d357b3a

Our Description: Given the reorganization of the company, the business we’re in has changed a bit relative to what’s currently in the article. For instance, we’re now organized around Industrial Process, Motion Technologies, Interconnect Solutions and Control Technologies.

Source:

• http://www.itt.com/Investors/statements/
• http://www.itt.com/CMSPages/GetFile.aspx?guid=a058d701-c324-49c5-9c61-fcb67d357b3a

Primary sources, yes, but ones that are audited/checked/verified, etc.

Let me know if this is enough to go on. UPDATE: Made some refinements since I first posted 30 minutes ago. -- Kathleen Bark (talk) 20:54, 8 November 2016 (UTC)

hello Kathleen, I don't see a problem with the proposed content. However, the sources are not sufficient as they fall under WP:PRIMARY , certainly for the name change. May I suggest you use :

• [2]
• [3]

instead. This will lead to changing the article for company name, as well as a proposal for renaming the article page. The rest changes are straight forward and can be done anytime. Devopam (talk) 07:45, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for this. Am I correct in understanding that it would be okay if I made these changes? If so, I’ll do so and report back here. -- Kathleen Bark (talk) 20:11, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

I’ve updated based on the EDGAR filings. Please someone without COI check my work? -- Kathleen Bark (talk) 17:50, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

Inaccuracies in Lead Paragraph

Hi. I’m Laurent from ITT. I wanted to address some requested changes to the lead paragraph, supported in the rest of the copy.

First, the name of the company is now “ITT Inc.” (rather than ITT Corporation) after the reorganization of 2016. (“ITT Inc. is an American worldwide manufacturing company…”)

To reflect this, I recommend additional text at the end of the introductory section. Something like:

In 2016, ITT Corporation implemented a corporate reorganization creating a new holding company, ITT Inc., as its publicly traded parent company. All outstanding shares of ITT Corporation common stock automatically converted on a share-for-share basis into ITT Inc. common stock.

Obviously, this would mean a conflict of interest if I were to pursue, so I’m hoping to get some assistance here. -- LaurentLawrence (talk) 15:15, 15 August 2017 (UTC)