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Commercial entry (website) deleted

Fak119 (talk) 12:07, 20 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Not a single source listed[edit]

Where did all of the information in this article come from, I don't see any sources or references listed. Ryuko2001 22:04, 3 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Who is Ryuko2001?

Fak119 14:37, 8 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

tis very interesting wud be better with more sources Delighted eyes 02:19, 24 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ikebana is still passed on principally from master to pupils, an oral tradition, so there is a dearth of good print or on-line sources. If you are in search of further information, here are a couple of good books:

Flower Arrangement: The Ikebana Way. Dr. William C. Steere ed., Shufunotomo Co., Ltd. Tokyo, Japan, 1962

The Art of Arranging Flowers. Shozo Sato, Harry N. Abrams, Inc. New York, undated. Library of Congress Number 65-20323

Awien 00:15, 10 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

who invented ikebana? It was not listed in the paragraphs. By Akemi F.F. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.186.56.140 (talk) 01:03, 27 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Prose style[edit]

What's up with the breathless account of the Exotic Orient? It'd be nice if the article sounded like it was written by someone who's been to Japan, or at least met a Japanese person once. The part about absolute silence sounds like the sort of satirical description you'd get in the Rahmens' "The Japanese Tradition" shorts. 126.234.218.105 (talk) 02:25, 31 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

In popular culture[edit]

This article's "in popular culture" section seemed to be an indiscriminate collection of possibly irrelevant information. The Fandom and Wordpress.com blog references have been removed per WP:USERG and WP:RSP#Fandom. The YouTube links to an official channel of the series may be useful as primary sources, but the lack of secondary sources to prove relevance made me remove the text as well. In general, "in popular culture" sections are known to be honeypots for such collection of irrelevant information, as described by MOS:POPCULT and backed by the policy WP:IINFO. The {{in popular culture}} maintenance tag at the top of the section might now be obsolete. It had been added by Nikkimaria, who might want to point out further problems, or who might want to remove the tag again. Perhaps we should replace it by an HTML comment that advises future editors against adding trivial information to the section without a reliable secondary source. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 20:56, 7 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

References and archiving web articles[edit]

Hi,

I just added a little bit about Toshiro Kawase, which is how I got introduced to the subject. I haven't done much editing, and I tried to copy other people's reference style. I saw that they archived the articles, and I don't know how to do that. Can anyone check my reference style and offer any guidance if it doesn't meet wiki expectations.

Thanks, Jof — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joffers951 (talk • contribs) 16:06, 4 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Jof, you may use the refToolbar, see WP:REFB. --Cyfal (talk) 17:48, 4 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Authoritative history?[edit]

Hello, I've been an admirer of ikebana from afar ever since Lost in Translation. However, during the quarantine, I've begun experimenting with branches and flowers I find on my morning walks along the canal. Now I want to make a study of it. This article is where I began. I found some contradictory timeline information between the Schools section and the History section neither of them cited that well. Since I'm new to the page I wanted to see if the other editors had a preference on a historical source. I'd like to improve the referencing and clean up some the confusion I found on here.

As an example, the Schools section says that Ikenobo is the oldest school going back to 7th century, but the main article on Ikenobo dates it as 14th century as does the New York Times article from 2017 which only seems to be referenced once. There is some other good information in that NYT piece as well that can strengthen the citations throughout. —Zujine|talk 14:34, 3 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It seems that the current version "Ikenobō goes back to the 700s CE of the Heian period" is a too rough summary of previous versions, e.g. this one. As the Ikenobō article states, the practice of arranging flowers at this place (the Rokkaku-dō) may date back to the Heian period, but ikebana considered as school is younger (Ikenobō founded in the 15th century by Senno).

This difference may also explain such contradictions as between "Saga Go-ryū dates back to [...] 809–823" and – in the Saga Go-ryū article – "...established his own school in the early part of the Taishō era".

Anyway, cleaning up the confusion would be an honourable task.

Have fun (and a good yield) on your morning walks --Cyfal (talk) 16:56, 3 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

~~I have this article watch listed from a while back and I agree it needs plenty of work.Nyx86 (talk) 16:28, 7 July 2020 (UTC)~~ sock[reply]

I'll undertake the task with the same random fits of concentration that I've been approaching ikebana irl -- that is to say, with a sense of leisure. —Zujine|talk 06:08, 9 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

And thanks for the well wishes @Cyfal, I'm about to head out the door now. —Zujine|talk 06:22, 9 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]