Talk:Illuminati: New World Order

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Boy Sprouts[edit]

There's a reference to "Boy Sprouts" on the article that seems like it should be "Boy Scouts". What's this? It seems to have been pretty old and has survived several revisions, so I'm reluctant to change it to Boy Scouts. Almkglor 10:39, 12 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

"Boy Sprouts" is correct. The Illuminati games feature a variety of organizations which are parodies of or poking fun at real companies or organizations. In many cases the names are close to, but different from, the real names. Presumably the desire to avoid a lawsuit and to claim that all such references are purely fictional motivates this. --Slordak 15:26, 12 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Release date[edit]

This article states the game was released in 1995, but the list of collectible card games says the game was released December 1994. Which is right? If possible please include a link here to a source that states which for sure. Mathman1550 (talk) 21:40, 20 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The official website claims "Origins Award for Best Card Game of 1994". However, the actual Origin Awards pages (both on Wikipedia and at the official Origins site) make no mention of the title. Nonetheless, it seems reasonable to suspect, based on this, that it came out at the end of 1994. --Slordak (talk) 17:43, 21 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

About the 9/11 controversy[edit]

Unfortunately I don't find the source anymore, but I read somewhere long ago that Steve Jackson took all kinds of conspiracy theories and such for his cards. My explanation would be: While not explicitly mentioning the Terrorist Nuke card there, imagery of a destroyed World Trade Center was popular in pop culture already in the mid-1990s, so it seems less like a coincidence and more like Steve Jackson and the real terrorists both drawing their inspiration from those "archetypical" ideas. One website that collected a few images (at least three from before INWO) with similar imagery and other that now could look like premonitions is here: http://www.darkroastedblend.com/2007/09/september-11-premonitions.html - however, if one looks for superhero comics etc, essentially the WTC became a replacement of the Empire State Building as a NYC landmark that could be destroyed by whatever hazard. --Con^structor 15:22, 11 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The INWO Book [(c) 1995 Steve Jackson Games Incorporated ISBN 1-55634-306-X] features a bibliography for INWO. Extensive sources are given as inspiration for the game. Top of the list: Robert A. Wilson and Robert O'Shea's book, Illuminatus! Trilogy. In the trilogy, there is an incident involving a breach of The Pentagon by explosion. This apparently informed the visual artwork of The Pentagon card for INWO. And of course, the 1993 World Trade Center Bombing made quite an impression on the public psyche back in the day.

Terrorist Nuke and The Pentagon were the first two INWO cards interpreted by some bloggers and internet commentators as a "proof" of a one world goverment conspiracy regarding the events of 9-11-2001, on the basis of their time of publication (1995) and the uncanny visual likeness to the events of 9-11. Ggroeneweg (talk) 04:24, 8 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

We need reliable secondary sources for this kind of information. That article from a tabloid newspaper does not meet those criteria. Drmies (talk) 18:50, 12 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Sources for any of this?[edit]

Or is it all just WP:ORIGINALRESEARCH? 2601:188:180:11F0:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (talk) 16:42, 12 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The INWO Book (1995) Steve Jackson Games Incorporated. ^[1] Illuminati: New World Order, Official Website. ^[2] sjgames.com/INWO German ^[3] World Domination Handbook v1.2 ^[4] Boardgamegeek-INWO ^[5] Boardgamegeek-German INWO Forum ^[6]

My intention was to expand and elaborate upon what was already listed on the wiki INWO entry, with a greater level of precision and accuracy, especially in light of a lot of ill informed information that I have been encountering online of late.

However, it has been brought to my attention that source material supporting the wiki article for INWO is based heavily upon primary sources. Aside from deletion of the wiki entry, what can be done when only primary sources are available for a given topic?

References

^ Jackson, Steve (1995). The INWO Book. Steve Jackson Games Incorporated. ISBN 1-55634-306-X.
^ "Illuminati: New World Order". Steve Jackson Games Incorporated. Retrieved 8 November 2017. {{cite web}}: Cite has empty unknown parameter: |dead-url= (help)
^ "sjgames.com/INWO German". Retrieved 12 December 2017.
^ "World Domination Handbook V1.2". Retrieved 12 December 2017.
^ "boardgamegeek.com - INWO". Retrieved 12 December 2017.
^ "boardgamegeek.com - German list forum". Retrieved 12 December 2017.

[1] Jackson, Steve (1995). The INWO Book. Steve Jackson Games Incorporated. ISBN 1-55634-306-X.

[2] "Illuminati: New World Order". Steve Jackson Games Incorporated. Retrieved 8 November 2017. {{cite web}}: Cite has empty unknown parameter: |dead-url= (help)

[3] "sjgames.com/INWO German". Retrieved 12 December 2017.

[4] "World Domination Handbook V1.2". Retrieved 12 December 2017.

[5] "boardgamegeek.com - INWO". Retrieved 12 December 2017.

[6] "boardgamegeek.com - German list forum". Retrieved 12 December 2017.

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