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'disturbing' lyrics

'Make good in a lay by' follows shortly. It definitely implies rape, or the lack of necessity to obtain consent for anything from a father with low status in any case. Even without the 'do what you feel' part it seems weird to include the dad in general. Bizarre lyric. I think it's deliberately provocative. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.132.213.37 (talk) 07:34, 5 June 2019 (UTC)

"If her daddy's rich, take her out for a meal, "If her daddy's poor just do what you feel." I referred to these lyrics as "disturbing to many modern listeners." Deltabeignet removed this "unsourced bit." I put it back it, since there is ample support for it. E.g., [1] ("probably the defence's closing argument in many a southern rape trial"), [2] ("redneck mentality at its peak"), [3] ("politically incorrect"), [4] ("a little dodgy"), [5] ("Mungo Jerry has a lot to answer for!!!"), [6] ("WTF?! Sounds like the Duke lacrosse team's slogan."). (Note: I tried to use tinyurl to shorten all of the above, but Wikipedia apparently rejects all tinyurl URL's.) Krakatoa 19:24, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Those examples show it is disturbing, but I think the juxtaposition with non-modern listeners is wrong. I think "daddy's rich/daddy's poor" line was just as disturbing in 1970 and probably any time. The song has an "old time" feel to it, relative to contemporaneous music, but I don't think you can point to a time when it was not disturbing to take advantage of people because of their social standing. Throughout history and the modern day, the poor have been exploited in ways that rich people can prevent or retaliate against. The automobile is more recent part of history, and there definitely was a time where drunk driving was not well-recognized as a major concern. That may have changed before 1970 (I don't know), but again, the song looks back to an unspecified time in the past.

I distinctly remember the line as being "If her daddy's poor just do what "she" feels, which has an entirely different connotation, not disturbing at all. I just looked at the video on YouTube and although the Karaoke lyrics show "do what you feel" what Dorset is singing is more like "do what cha feels" which could be either "you" or "she". However, he is definitely singing "feels" which doesn't go with "you", it would be "feel". Also a number of the lyric site have the first line wrong - the karaoke and what Dorset is singing is "weather is high" and the lyric sites have it as "weather is hot" which doesn't follow the ryming scheme used. — ChardingLLNL 17:35, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

“What’cha” is a blurred rendering of “what you,” and means nothing else. The full line is indisputably “do what ya feel,” and cannot in any way be interpreted as “do what she feels.” That is just inaccurate—-no, the line is *not* “feels.” It is “do what ya feel,” which gets slurred into “what’cha.” If you’re hearing anything else, that just means you are mishearing the lyrics. “What’cha” does not and never has meant anything other than “what you.” This is incontrovertible.

I would like to add that I've heard this song many times and have never thought of it that way. I always assumed that it meant the girl with the rich dad expects something expensive, while if her daddy's poor, you can take her on a walk in the park or something. Also, most of the link above are dead, and the ones that aren't are from forum pages and probably not the best source to use. If there are better sources on the controversy of this line, it perhaps deserves it's own section in the article.

I agree. I always thought of "what you feel" as implying being free of obligations. It never occurred to me to interpret it as meaning something nasty. Rape is not something that i feel like doing. (This, of course, does not mean that i'm not up for consentual sex.)
—überRegenbogen (talk) 02:41, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm deleting the "disturbing lyrics" reference in the article, since this it's still unsourced and the links cited above don't give it enough credibility to leave in. The goggle-links (1-4) all seem to lead to the same negative search results pages and [5] amd [6] are just random comments-"Mungo Jerry has a lot to answer for!!!" and "WTF?! Sounds like the Duke lacrosse team's slogan." found on different websites. The lyrics are open to interpretation but there doesn't seem to be any real evidence supporting this perspective. The case for this being included in the article seems to be based more on opinion, so it should stay deleted unless someone can find evidence to support it

Fictionscribe (talk) 18:01, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Some people are entirely too PC nowadays. These lyrics disturbed no one when the song came out, I assure everyone. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.82.125.29 (talk) 14:56, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

The lyrics focus on the father as the factor that determines what you can and can't do. You can disregard the dad if he's rich, according to the lyric. There is a more important party here that has to consent and it is completely ignored. That's sexists [7][8][9] --1Veertje (talk) 13:04, 16 December 2016 (UTC)

Now that there are sources to be cited perhaps we should reintroduce some commentary on the innappropriate lyrics or political correctness if people want to call it that. An example link [10] or [11] or [12]

Thirsty Merc - In the Summertime

This section of the article consists of a signicant amount of unsourced POV. Unless a source can be found I will delete the POV content (I may do this anyway, but it can be reinstated should a source be found). Tinkstar1985 05:30, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Words to the Bob Dylan song

Why? It is a completely different song, and is not relevant to this article.
—überRegenbogen (talk) 02:13, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Bank's advertising campaign

I believe it was used as part of a major bank's TV advertising campaign in the 90's - can anyone confirm this?

Meltingpot (talk) 15:01, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

I doubt it would have been used by a British brewery after Mungojerry publicly recanted of the 'drink and a drive' lyrics during 1993-94 and the selfsame lyrics became part of a government anti-drink-driving campaign. (See also my talk point about Public Recantation below.)Cloptonson (talk) 12:19, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Genre

I don't really understand why it is a folk song. The relaxed tune reminds me a bit of Caribbean by Mitchell Torok. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.151.240.186 (talk) 00:44, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

I read on Allmusic that it's a skiffle/folk song. http://www.allmusic.com/song/in-the-summertime-mt0034366554

81.53.43.233 (talk) 13:30, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

Video

Does anyone know about the videos? I found at least two on YouTube ( 1 2 ) and they seem very intentional for 1970 and thus perhaps worthy of discussion. Thmazing (talk) 18:30, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

lyrics link

the link to the lyrics contains many mistakes.check out songtexte.com Frankengeordie (talk) 18:16, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

The MetroLyrics link is the one accepted by Wiki. Their site is used to source lyrics on many articles. --Egghead06 (talk) 18:33, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

Where was the video filmed?

Does anyone know where the music video for "In the Summertime" was filmed? I know it's in the UK, and I assume it's London, but I could be wrong. So, I am asking here.

Here is the music video, maybe some of you will know the area:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yG0oBPtyNb0 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.91.156.84 (talk) 01:27, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

But the original video "made in 1970, and is the original Mungo Jerry line up that recorded "In The Summertime"" is claimed to be this one. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:37, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
The non-studio one (which looks so much like green-screen, before green-screen was typically used in UK music videos) seems to have featured the London Hilton on Park Lane, near the east side of Hyde Park. But great to see that wonderful product placement. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:47, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
There's no way it's chroma-key, if you've ever watched any Doctor Who circa 1970, then you'd see how primitive the process was back then.Tuzapicabit (talk) 23:28, 4 June 2019 (UTC)

Requested move

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The result of the move request was: not moved. There is a consensus that the song is not a primary topic. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 17:03, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

– This song's been viewed 6710 times in the last 30 days, the other song just 333. --Relisted. Armbrust The Homunculus 12:03, 25 February 2014 (UTC) Unreal7 (talk) 20:16, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

  • Comment - shame no one is interested in In the Summertime (Mungo Jerry album) [13]. In ictu oculi (talk) 23:46, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
  • Oppose. The Mungo Jerry song has been viewed 6637 times in the past 30 days, while the disambiguation page only 517 times. Who can argue that having the artist's name in the namespace is not helpful? --Richhoncho (talk) 19:05, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
  • Support That's certainly one way of interpreting it, Richhoncho. Another way is that we have a misplaced WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. --BDD (talk) 17:22, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
  • Oppose - per Richhoncho. Sorry but this is the daft thing about all these attempts to hide the artists names of songs and albums, the cover clearly shows Mungo Jerry in bigger letters than the song title. The record company didn't hide the artist's name when they released the single, DJs didn't keep the name "Mungo Jerry" secret when playing it on the radio, the artist name isn't hidden in books, so why should we hide (Mungo Jerry song) from readers? The current (Mungo Jerry song) title is evidently working. It its working, then keep it. In ictu oculi (talk) 18:00, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
All these RMs are a misreading of WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. The idea of a primary topic makes sense for Brazil vs Brazil (film) but has no benefit and a lot of nuisance in among the forest of song titles. In ictu oculi (talk) 18:00, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
The song isn't called "In the Summertime (Mungo Jerry song)" on the cover or in any source besides Wikipedia. It's just a convention we use when disambiguation is necessary, when it's necessary.--Cúchullain t/c 14:32, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
  • Oppose -For all the above and the fact potential readers/editors appear to be accessing the article and have raised no issue. This isn't broken - don't fix.--Egghead06 (talk) 18:05, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
  • Oppose per In ictu oculi. In this case, one could argue that the disambiguator accurately reflections the song's full and common name, given the titling on the cover. Xoloz (talk) 18:22, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
One would be wrong to argue that; the construction "In the Summertime (Mungo Jerry song)" doesn't appear on the album, or more importantly, in any source written on the subject.--Cúchullain t/c 14:32, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
  • Support. The album has been moved around several times without discussion, but in any case it gets substantially fewer page views than the song: 128 at In the Summertime (album) and 125 at In the Summertime (Mungo Jerry album). Unreal already showed the song was viewed 6710 times while the Thirsty Merc song was viewed just 333 There's no two ways about it, the song is the primary topic of the name "In the Summertime" as the thing a wide majority of readers are looking for. No reason to send them to a dead end.--Cúchullain t/c 14:32, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
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Offensive lyrics

Having read the comments on the lyrics I thought I would add that as a young teenager in the 1970's I found the lyrics very offensive but I also remember being completely phased by the way everyone seemed to love the song and ignored the lyrics! Later I began to excuse the lyrics by thinking it might be some kind of reference to the Chappaquiddick Incident but I've never come across anything to back this idea. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.147.218.27 (talk) 21:01, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

Having remembered the lyrics, from when the song came out, I thought I would add that as a young teenager in the 1970's I found the lyrics very inoffensive and assumed they were sung by some friendly yokel chap from Devon. I discovered only later, to my surprise, that it was actually Dorset. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:51, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

Requested move 2 June 2016

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The result of the move request was: page moved.(non-admin closure) Eventhorizon51 (talk) 13:55, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

– There's been 28,562 views for the song in the last 90 days - and just 2,356 for the all the other articles combined. Clear primary topic.[14] Unreal7 (talk) 21:26, 2 June 2016 (UTC)

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