Talk:Incumbent/Archive 1

Archive 1

Job postings?

Browsing some job postings, the job description says "the incumbent is responsible for...", in reference to the person who will be hired to fill the position. Is this usage seen elsewhere? RealGrouchy 00:59, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Not that I'm aware, but I've seen it a lot in job ads too, like you indicate describing the future duties of the candidate that's hired to fill the vacancy. I'm not sure but get the impression it's mostly American job postings that use the term "incumbent" in this sense. The Seventh Taylor (talk) 21:40, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

PS: I think it's absolutely worthwhile to mention this meaning in the article but I don't have any better evidence (with reference) to back it up than my 'own research'. The Seventh Taylor (talk) 20:29, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

Support for an entry of incumbent employee?

A couple references I dug up (hoping these are in accord, etc):

"The Source Northwest Ohio"[1] is a public access FAQ which declares this: "What is an incumbent worker?" then defines it "An incumbent worker is an individual already employed by a qualifying employer." Retrieved Oct 17 2013, 7:51PM EST

Reference.com [2] references the above link, and their statement reads as follows: "Incumbent workers are people who are already employed by a qualified employer. They are generally a higher paid class of worker than most. They also are more qualified in varying degrees of things. For more information you can go to www.thesourcenwo.com." Retrieved Oct 17 2013, 7:51PM EST

My thoughts: Seems idiotic for any employer to post (openly, on public access internet job boards) any vacant position for which the employer is clearly not seeking to hire from outside the (internal) existing employee pool. Thinking according to the old 1970s era set theory thing.

Edited to fix linking error. My bad. mmmmna (talk) 23:52, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

Does this even make sense???

"For example, in the 2004 United States presidential election, George W. Bush was the incumbent, because he was the current president. Contents" someone please edit it.. 219.95.57.167 13:52, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Etymology

What the hell is a 'meany'? (Line 1 of etymology) Is it green? And how can you be literally meany?

WINAD

This whole thing looks like one of those Wikipedia messes where one editor, ignorant of Wiktionary and of WP:WINAD, creates a dictionary entry. Then a whole succession of editors try to spruce it up to make it encyclopedic. If anything, this article should be entitled Incumbency as a political science topic, since that's what the scant encyclopedic content is about. Also, it's pretty pointless to link this from templates like the one that got me here, men's long jump world record succession. The first record-holder enjoyed none of the advantages of incumbency accruing to members of Congress or other elected officeholders. - PhilipR (talk) 23:04, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Agreed. I would like to make a motion to move this to Wiktionary and redirect. Full Decent (talk) 21:14, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

I think that would be better too, seeing as there is no real encyclopedic content here.

As a sidenote, could anyone tell me what (if there is any) the difference is between incumbent and in office? Because at the Fidel Castro page it says he is in office, and Raúl Castro is incumbent. I can't see any real difference between the two terms, but english is not my native language and I'm not really very knowledgable on political terms. - Ilyushin

I don't think you're having any trouble with your English. I think this article is suffering from the muddled thinking of a lot of native English speakers who assume they know when maybe they're wrong. WP:WINAD seems pretty clear to me, and it states plainly that the adjective form is dictionary fodder. This article needs moved, probably to Incumbancy(politics). Will see what I can do as a non-admin.

Ragityman (talk) 01:14, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

Move?

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: not moved. Kotniski (talk) 14:59, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

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Incumbent → Incumbancy (politics) — relisted. Vegaswikian (talk) 00:34, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

• (See discussion in previous thread. I'm sorry I am not able to take care of this move. Since the software update recently, I no longer have a hotlink to move.) User:Ragityman 02:19, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
  • The correct spelling is incumbency. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 06:57, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
• My bad. Do I need to take some action to correct the move request, or will it come out in the wash? This is my first move request, and I don't know all the ins-and-outs.

Ragityman (talk) 11:04, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

• In that case we better discuss moving to Incumbency (politics). Anthony Appleyard (talk) 16:27, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

Maybe I'm not being clear. I'm at fault. I completely agree. I should have been more careful with my spelling. Now, do I need to somehow withdraw the previous move request, or is there a way to correct the spelling within the current move request? I'm willing to do whatever is necessary, but I don't know what the most effective action is.

Ragityman (talk) 16:20, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

• Comment: I could maybe understand a move to Incumbency, but why is the (politics) disambiguator needed? –CWenger (talk) 18:07, 5 March 2011 (UTC)
• Oppose. I don't see a case being made for the proposed rename. This article is not solely about politics. If the need is there, then split out the politics section to Incumbent (politics). Vegaswikian (talk) 00:36, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

• Oppose - per Vegaswikian, couldn't have said it better. – ukexpat (talk) 16:26, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
• Oppose - no argument given to move this page. I can conceive of an argument to move to Incumbency, but no such argument has been presented, much less a compelling one. The totally unnecessary proposed (politics) disambiguator is particularly puzzling. --Born2cycle (talk) 20:46, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Incumbents who don't currently hold the seat?

I removed the following sentence from the lede--"In open-seat races (that is, where no incumbent is running), the term "incumbent" is sometimes used to refer to the nominee of the party currently holding the office. "

As far as I can tell, this is just not the case. You might see somebody referring to the party that previously held an open seat as the incumbent party, but even that's pretty rare, and I've never seen it applied to a specific individual who's never held the office in question. Unless this can be sourced, it should probably be kept out of the article. Meelar (talk) 20:04, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Assessment comment

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I believe the following line is debatable, if not incorrect. An election (especially for a legislature) in which no incumbent is running is often called an open seat; because of the lack of incumbency advantage, these are often amongst the most hotly-contested races in any election. In my opinion, open seat elections are hotly-contested mainly because they often occur when there was no previous democratic government. I think the heat has nothing to do with the lack of incumbency advantage. If many agree, perhaps this sentence should be removed. ErikBongers (talk) 12:52, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Last edited at 12:52, 4 January 2009 (UTC). Substituted at 18:51, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 December 2016

Ellen Johnson Sirleaf was sworn into office on the 16th of January 2006, not the 18th of January 173.48.16.192 (talk) 04:47, 5 December 2016 (UTC)  Not done as you are in the wrong place, whilst our article Ellen Johnson Sirleaf is not semi-protected and already states "Her inauguration, attended by many foreign dignitaries, including United States Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and First Lady Laura Bush, took place on 16 January 2006." - Arjayay (talk) 14:41, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

References

Semi-protected edit request on 24 September 2017

i want to edit ur pageit contains small minute mistakes 47.9.13.252 (talk) 08:31, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

Not done: this is not the right page to request additional user rights. You may reopen this request with the specific changes to be made and someone will add them for you, or if you have an account, you can wait until you are autoconfirmed and edit the page yourself. DRAGON BOOSTER ★ 08:46, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

Political office should be a separate article

Political office redirects here, but it should be its own article, as its a separate idea. -Inowen (talk) 08:39, 23 February 2018 (UTC)

Correction on incumbancy

Senator Samuel anyanwu is the incumbate holder of this very office please this should be corrected Iwunzebrunochibuoyim (talk) 11:22, 6 May 2018 (UTC)

Incumbency Advantage Copy and Paste

The currently listed information under the Incumbency Advantage section is plagiarized. https://courses.lumenlearning.com/boundless-politicalscience/chapter/congressional-elections/ and is a straight quote from the passage, yet this is not noted nor cited. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.59.122.135 (talk) 17:41, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

Incumbent vs political office

Greetings, everyone. The term "incumbent" has practically nothing to do with the term "political office." The later exists irrespective of who's serving in it. A proper lemma, dedicated to "political office," should be created and the redirect from "political office" to "incumbent" deleted. Thoughts? -The Gnome (talk) 09:47, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 February 2021

Kamala Harris was born in Oakland California on october 20th 1964. her mother shayamala gopalan Harris and her father was Donald Harris. She is the daughter of an indian mother and a Jamaician-American father. 71.179.251.106 (talk) 00:01, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

I don't see anything about Harris in this article. Kamila Harris talk page is the place to suggest ch