Talk:Independence of Brazil

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"By the mid-16th century?"[edit]

"Though the first settlement was founded in 1532, colonization was effectively started in 1534. (...) By the mid-16th century, sugar had become Brazil's most important export due to the increasing international demand for sugar."

Shouldn't that be by the mid-17th century? A mere 15 years seems incredibly short for sugar exports to become anything meaningful. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.2.118.218 (talk) 09:17, 24 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

as guerras luso brasileiras não ocorreram em sp mas no ne como as holandesas mascates ate emboabas tinha ne no meio — Preceding unsigned comment added by 179.154.75.17 (talk) 00:02, 4 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

POV[edit]

There wasnt any Brazilian war of independence. greatly biased info. Brazil became independent because the king feared that the Spanish American wars could infect the Portuguese colony, so his son declared the independence of Brazil, but who ordered it was the king of Portugal himself. -Pedro 01:01, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Even though there wasn't a war before independence declaration, it's historically clear that some provinces, like Maranhão, Piauí and Pará, resisted against D. Pedro I, the Emperor of Brazil and former Regent under D. João VI term in Portugal. It take several months 'till the whole country was pacified and united under the new governmnet. The version of the Portugal's king supposed order to his son declares independence is not supported by an expressive number of historicist. I suggest clarification on the issue. Andrelot 23:25, 8 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Calling it a war is misleading. There were unrests and insurgencies. An independence war suggests there was a conflict between Brazil and Portugal, which is not the case. I personally suggest this article be called simply Brazilian Independence. The talk page of the article from the Brazilian Empire suggests that should be divided in smaller articles, this one might be used as a start. Also, historians widely accept and believe the brazilian independence was plotted by Portugal, citing evidences such as Portugal's foreign debt owed to England transferred to Brazil, among others, so your claim is completely false. I support Pedro's comments. Starghost 19:52, 9 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I support the move to the title Brazilian Independence, as there wasn't really a war over this, but only when someone can provide more context for the independence as a whole — not just the resistance there was. The move, as the article is now, would be misleading and confusing. Fetofs Hello! 22:01, 26 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with changing the title to Brazilian Independence. And on a side note, I don't think there's any evidence that João told Pedro to take the crown for himself if looked as though Brazil would revolt, although this is the story that is traditionally told. Monikwee 21:19, 18 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Although I can't provide any links to it, I've seen historians at the University of Sao Paulo say there is evidence in a letter from John to Pedro which would say "Lança mão da coroa antes que outro o faça", "take the crown before somebody else does". Also, it is said the Freemasonry publicized a letter of independence.

The siege of Salvador isn't "POV" just because the Portuguese are unconfortable with the idea. http://ibahia.globo.com/especiais/2dejulho/o2dejulho.asp Macgreco 15:53, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 2007[edit]

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Brazilian Declaration of Independence → Brazilian War of Independence — There was a war, the Portuguese took part in it. The name change is Portuguese POV Macgreco 03:04, 7 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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I have assumed that the move's proponent supports it, leaving the move uncontested. --Stemonitis 22:02, 15 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Page moved[edit]

I've moved the contents of the "Brazilian War of Independence" page to the "Brazilian Declaration of Independence" page.

I've checked the subject in five different Brazilian History books, all of which make no mention to such war. On the flip side, I didn't see any of the proponents of the "war page" come up with reliable material for references. If anybody wishes to extend the debate, I will bother mentioning each source I checked. In short, although there were local conflicts in certain Provinces, the History books never use the expression "Guerra da Independência" (War of Independence) or any equivalent term. Local revolts and minor confrontations do not add up to a war.

I have preserved the original text, save for minor adaptations in the lead.

Sparks1979 00:49, 10 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]


Here is a page that uses the expression "Guerra da independência".

http://www.scielo.br/scielo.php?script=sci_arttext&pid=S0102-01882002000100007

189.104.138.45 (talk) 02:02, 15 February 2010 (UTC)Bob[reply]

Rewriting[edit]

I rewrited part of the first section, and, given time, I will do the same with the rest of the article. Just rephrasing for better reading. Samuel Sol 17:31, 28 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Improving the article[edit]

Well, I don't know if someone cares about this article, but even so I will let in here comments about my modifications in it. I've started to improve it. I'm first dealing with the pre-war content and i will later adress the war and battles, etc... Any doubt, please, tell me about it. Regards, --Lecen (talk) 09:37, 2 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Here's an article that uses the expression "Guerra da Independência" (Indepencende War)[edit]

This article examines the rectruitment of slaves during the Brazilian Independence War.

http://www.scielo.br/scielo.php?script=sci_arttext&pid=S0102-01882002000100007 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.104.138.45 (talk) 02:07, 15 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 2011[edit]

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The result of the move request was: page moved. Vegaswikian (talk) 21:40, 19 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]


Brazilian Independence → Independence of Brazil – The Brazilian Independence (31,900 results) is actually known as "Independence of Brazil" (164,000 results) Lecen (talk) 00:53, 13 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Recognition[edit]

This article may benefit with a list of the years when other countries recognized the independence of Brazil. Cambalachero (talk) 03:05, 5 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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principais batalhas foram na bahia e piaui e a principal resistencia pi ma ba pa sacramento mt o ne teve destaque e nao sp nem rio — Preceding unsigned comment added by 179.211.79.58 (talk) 05:01, 9 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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