Talk:Ingram Stainback

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Was he related to Ida, Ashley, and Blakeley Stainback, all of who are buried in Somerville Cemetery?

References[edit]

Removed Find a Grave as a reference and placed in external links. Consensus has determined that Find a Grave is an unreliable source by one or more of the following;

1)-WP:SOURCES; Articles should be based on reliable, third-party, published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy.
2)- WP:NOTRELIABLE; Questionable sources are those with a poor reputation for checking the facts, or with no editorial oversight.
3)- WP:SELFPUBLISH; Find a Grave is user edited and uses anonymous or pseudonymous editors.
4)- WP:SPS; This includes any website whose content is largely user-generated, including the Internet Movie Database, Cracked.com, CBDB.com, and so forth, with the exception of material on such sites that is labeled as originating from credentialed members of the sites' editorial staff, rather than users. Find a Grave is not currently specifically named as is IMBd but falls under "and so forth". Rational dictates that Find a Grave, while not specifically listed by name in WP:SPS, certainly falls under the criteria. Otr500 (talk) 23:01, 15 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Reversion of above actions[edit]

This article was revered with no discussion on the talk page but that it is otherwise fine as is. There are three other references so the articles is not in danger of being nominated for an AFD. The reversion was against long-standing consensus and one or more of the above listed policies and guidelines. I am asking the editor that made the reversion to self-revert that will place Find a Grave in a presently acceptable location under "external links". Otr500 (talk) 07:04, 10 May 2011 (UTC)`[reply]

I think it I who added the find-a-grave in the first place, but agree that it is self-published so not a very reliable source. Putting it in the external links section sounds like the reasonable solution. There are some mistaes in their entries, so generally I like to just use them to start research, not as the citation source. Now in this case, User:Joel Bradshaw took the photo at the cemetery, so in some way that could be a "verification" that to me is more reliable than the find-a-grave, although perhaps some would argue as "original" research. Sigh. W Nowicki (talk) 16:57, 10 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It is not WP:OR for the picture to be taken, properly downloaded to WP, and used. It is just that long standing consensus has found that Find a Grave is not reliable as a source or reference but information from the site has been used as such on many articles. I will state that there are many entries (information other than the pictures) that are probably totally accurate but a main problem is that almost all of the entries on Find a Grave (IMBD and others) do not list the source wherein that information was gathered thus it is not possible to verify any of the information. To "start" research for an article is one thing but many articles were started years ago and there is no project direction to go any farther.

The Find a Grave project created many articles and this is a good thing but in the interests of accuracy and verifiability the articles have to evolve to another stage or be subjected to questioning of WP:NOTABILITY. The editors of Find a Grave found information that has been used on the site so it is "out there" somewhere. The editor that reverted my edit is aware of this as well as the volumes of discussions but still made the revert. I am justified in reverting it back but to avoid listing the revert as vandalism or disruption I was attempting to go the gentle route. Otr500 (talk) 09:47, 17 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Moved Find a Grave to an external links section per above comments, Wikipedia policies and guidelines, a long ongoing discussion at WP:External links/Perennial websites, and a very long history that Find a Grave is not acceptable as a reference. It is noted above that a user personally took a picture. Wikipedia is clear than information from a picture can be used providing there is nothing added that would constitute original research and that the picture was properly downloaded with the appropriate release. The individual should release the picture to allow use on Wikipedia and then it can be used in the article. Otr500 (talk) 06:49, 8 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]