Talk:Institute of Christ the King Sovereign Priest

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I believe the Institute is a Society of Apostolic Life. They are definitely not Canons Regular.

See: http://www.unavoce.org/ictk.htm

--Samuel J. Howard 11:36, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

Dispute of honorifics for Gilles Wach

I saw the article on my watchlist, that the title for Gilles Wach had been changed. I researched via Google to find information to prove or disprove the edit. The only source which I have found is the link which I have cited, which contains what appears to be a scan of a letter from The Congregation For Institutes of Consecrated Life and Societies of Apostolic Life, dated November 2005. Various other sources are scanned and cited at this site.

Barring any other authoritative material, I have let the change be, and cited a source in due dilligence.

I think it would be best of someone could verify this authoritatively. This could be the source of some controversy, especially in light of the Institute's mission.

-- Alvincura (talk) 18:14, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

Well certainly we must start by asking the following: What entitles him to be called "Monsignor"? He is referred to as "father" in virtue of his ordination and status. Anyhow, there is inconsistency in the article. First he is referred to by Fr. and then Msgr. Choose one. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Knight746 (talk • contribs) 13:31, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

The evidence disputing Gilles Wach's honorifics have been removed by the owner. No evidence now exists online. Dhtml12345 (talk) 16:41, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

If there is no evidence to support the dispute, then I see no reason not to restore them. - Alvincura (talk) 22:36, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

Some papers from the Pontifical Commission Ecclesia Dei have been produced, stating that Fr Wachs is no more entitled to be called Monsignor. And there is no right to call the priests from the Institute canons either: the "decreto approvazione" from the PCED 181/2008 from October 7th 2008 mentions "vitam communem ad instar canonicorum" which means "like canons" and not canons. So those dubious titles should not appear.

The ICKSP itself uses the terms "canons" and "Monsignor", as can be seen on their website www.icksp.org . If there are grounds for disputing this practice, the issue should be presented on the page itself as a controversy surrounding the Institute, rather than used as a reason to dispute the neutrality of the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.171.224.187 (talk) 14:01, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

First of all, "ad instar" does not mean "like", it means "equivalent to". In the Catholic Church, there were in former times Protonotaries apostolic ad instar, who were Protonotaries apostolic, since they were equivalent to them. A Protonotary Apostolic ad instar IS a Protonotary Apostolic. Ad instar canonicus IS a canonicus. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.8.80.181 (talk) 20:35, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

Please refer to the Pontifical Commission of Ecclesia Dei’s letter Prot. 96/2007. Clearly, in 2016, the former Pontifical Commission of “Ecclesia Dei” under Congregation of the Doctrine of the Faith addressed the Prior General as “Reverendissimo Monsignore” by Most Reverend Archbishop Guido Pozza.

— Fideliter2014 (talk) 05:14, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

References

What's this about Cardinal Siri?

I find this:

"During its yearly ordinations week in Italy, the Institute has had visits by Cardinal Raymond Leo Burke, Antonio Cardinal Cañizares Llovera, Cardinal Hoyos, Archbishop Camille Perl, and Giuseppe Cardinal Siri."

Elsewhere in this article, I see reference to this Institute being founded in 1990. What was its "predecessor" organization(s)? I ask this because above I am seeing reference to Cardinal Siri, who died in 1989. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.63.16.20 (talk) 19:12, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

On the French language version of the same article, you will find more historical information about how the Institute was founded.
— Fideliter2014 (talk) 05:28, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

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