Talk:Integrated Deepwater System Program

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This article is highly promotional of its subject and U.S.-centric. For example,

This new "system of systems" will significantly contribute to the Coast Guard's maritime domain awareness, as well as the improved ability to intercept, engage, and deter those activities that pose a direct challenge to U.S. sovereignty and security. Deepwater will provide the means to extend our layered maritime defenses from our ports and coastal areas hundreds of miles to sea.

"Our ports and coastal areas"? Come now. In addition, the sentence "The Coast Guard selected the contractor who offered the best value from among the premiere system integration experts in the world" uses language fit for making a sales pitch (best value, premiere experts in the world), not an encyclopedia. It seems to me that this article needs to be cleaned up to describe the program in a much more objective manner. --Occamslawnmower 06:26, 16 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

NATIONAL SECURITY CUTTER not MARITIME SECURITY


Michael De Kort[edit]

What's the story here?--Conrad Kilroy 03:53, 30 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

60 Minutes - "Troubled with Deepwater May 17, 2007)--Conrad Kilroy 22:13, 9 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]


Anthony D'Armiento[edit]

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/121607Y.shtml —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.255.84.57 (talk) 18:25, 16 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Grammar[edit]

The following sentences don't make much sense, and I don't understand them well enough to try to fix them:

"Because of the scale of the building program exceeded anything done by the USCG before, Deepwater is unique in that the primary contractors were tasked with are making design and procurement decisions on behalf of the Federal government."

"Recently news stories have surfaced demonstrating his warning that significant C4ISR problems will continue of all future ship assets, like the National Security Cutters, appears to be true."

Bobbozzo (talk) 08:28, 18 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"The NSC will have a length of 418 feet (125.2 m), be powered by a gas turbine engine with two auxiliary diesel engines, and be capable of 12,000 nautical mile (22,000 km) voyages lasting up to 60 days.'

I believe that this sentence is incorrect. The diesel engines are the prime movers and the gas turbine provides auxiliary power when necessary. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.98.73.12 (talk) 19:36, 15 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Merger Proposal Whistleblowing efforts[edit]

Merge – Subject of source page doesn't seem notable, nor are there many third party sources 46.189.67.221 (talk) 22:47, 1 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Weak oppose on the grounds that Michael DeKort has independent notability through awards and separate coverage regarding whistle-blowers. Klbrain (talk) 20:44, 4 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Oppose because the Integrated Deepwater System Program was a major acquisition program for the Coast Guard and it included several types of cutters in the Coast Guard inventory today. The National Security Cutter, the Medium Range Surveillance Maritime Patrol Aircraft (MRS) HC-144 Ocean Sentry, the Multi-Mission Cutter Helicopter (MCH) MH-65C Dolphin, and the Small Unmanned Aerial Systems (sUAS) were all first conceived under the Integrated Deepwater System Program. Cuprum17 (talk) 21:04, 4 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Cuprum17: no one is disputing the need for Integrated Deepwater System Program. The question is, whether Michael DeKort should be merged into Integrated Deepwater System Program. That is, whether DeKort is independently notable. Any thoughts on this? Klbrain (talk) 10:23, 10 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Klbrain:Yes. I believe that DeKort is independently notable. While the DeKort article is short on his personal life at this time by Wikipedia Biography standards, I think that given time some aspiring biography editor could fill in the blanks on his life. Including some of his personal life facts into the Integrated Deepwater System Program article kluges up what is intended to be an article about Coast Guard procurement policies and their mismanagement. While the facts about DeKort's efforts as a whistleblower do belong in the IDS article, not everything about DeKort belongs there. DeKort is notable in his own right because of his whistleblowing resulted in several lawsuits against the IDS contractors and halted efforts by the Coast Guard to complete all their acquisitions under the IDS program which had already been funded. His efforts forced the Coast Guard and it's contractors to modify many contracting procedures and served notice to other government agencies that they needed to improve their contracting policies. (Quote from DeKort article, which has since been editted by me for clarity) "In 2008, DeKort was awarded the Society on Social Implications of Technology's public service award.[9] As well as the Barus Ethics Award from the IEEE for his efforts to ensure accountability and whistleblowing video." (unquote) Although the quoted content was poorly written, DeKort did receive a couple of awards from a prestigious group that are significant. His case of whistleblowing did cement the whistleblowing laws in the United States legal system because of the prominence of the contractors involved. Oversight on contracting was added. Wikipedia contains hundreds of articles about movie stars that appeared in one movie, hundreds of articles about sports figures that appeared for one season in a sports team's lineup. The biography project bar is evidently low. DeKort was in the headlines of major newspapers for several months. It's a biography that someone hasn't fully researched yet. Leave it as a separate article. Cuprum17 (talk) 15:15, 10 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Closing, given the opposition and no support. Klbrain (talk) 22:34, 10 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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