Talk:International Harvester Scout/Archive 1

Archive 1

August 2005

This article is incorrect.

The Scout line included four wheel drive wagons, what we call SUVs today, as well. It should also be noted that they were produced until at LEAST 1980.

Their Rally S line included a 385 cubic inch, 300+ ft/lb of tourque engine with a Holly quadrajet, a Tourqueflite transmission, and positive tractions diffs. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.40.136.118 (talk) 02:17, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

Since all the Scout line was four wheel drive, I'm assuming you mean the four wheel drive, four door Travelall which, while somewhat cosmetically similar to the Scout II, was not an actual Scout. -- Lost Cosmonaut 01:03, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

I suggest adding an info box (for quick reference) somewhere on the page like most other vehicle articles. This table would have all the vital specs. See Land Rover Range Rover Classic for an example of such. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.118.238.236 (talk) 09:46, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

First SUV?

Maybe, maybe not. Partly it depends on how you define SUV. The Jeep CJ series predates the Scout, as does the Chevrolet Suburban. --Badger151 20:41, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

The first SUV would be International's Auto Buggy and Auto Wagon vehicles produced from 1907 to 1915. They had tall wheels to negogiate the rugged rural roads. The Auto Wagon also had a removable rear seat in the cargo area. It could be used as a people carrier or a cargo carrier. Farmers hauled seed during the week and then took the family to church on Sunday using the same vehicle. Sounds like a SUV, doesn't it?

SUV is short for sport utility vehicle. Originally vehicles such as the Chevy Suburban or International Travelall were not considered SUV's. They might have the "utility", but their large size did not fit the defination of "sport." As two more decades progressed, magazine writers began to include the Suburban and Travelall as "SUV's", too.

International Scout's claim to fame is that it broke into a totally new market that no other vehicle had ever entered. The Jeep CJ was mainly used for work only, but the Scout could be used to plow snow and yet the wife could feel comfortable getting groceries with it, too. This new market even surprised International and it became its best selling vehicle. The sales caught the attention of other auto makers who all came out with vehicles to compete in the Scout market. Ford basically copied the Scout with the Bronco in 1966. Jeep introduced the Comando and the Cherokee. Chevy and GMC brought to market the Blazer and Jimmy. Eventually Dodge and Plymouth had the Ramcharger. The Scout started a whole new market of vehicles that America still thrives upon today. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.12.116.71 (talk) 03:59, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Before believing the above, consider that Willys Jeep introduced a 4x4 station wagon in 1946. That was the vehicle that really laid the groundwork for vehicles like the Scout... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.118.238.236 (talk) 09:38, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Image

File:Originalscoutsketch.jpg

Scout Original Design Sketch

I guess this used to be an image of the first design. I like the idea of having it in the article, but for the moment the link seems to be broken or the file missing; I've pulled it from the article and stuck it here for safekeeping, in the hopes that it can be reattached. --Badger151 07:33, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

7" wheels

I read this as meaning wheels with a 7" diameter, which seems peculiar. What does the 7" refer to? --Badger151 17:51, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Sherman Balch

Can someone confirm that this driver was driving a Scout when he had the wins mentioed in the article? --Badger151 18:03, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Line Setting Ticket

was this specific to Scouts? Or did IH also use them on their trucks? --Badger151 18:36, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

End of the Scout

Anyone know why IH stopped making the Scout? That'd be an intresting addition to the article. --Badger151 18:36, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Copyright violation?

This article, or at least parts of it, is extremely derivative of the following copyrighted material: http://www.superscoutspecialists.com/store/t-faq.aspx

Perhaps someone more knowledgeable than I could speak to whether this constitutes an actual copyright violation. --userX 14:14, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

The copyrighted material from the SSS page was moved by the author(from SSS)John Glancy to the Wiki site,therefore info is used with permission. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Scoutchaser (talk • contribs) 22:50, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Best 4x4 article removed

While I personally agree, I have removed the subjective "THIS IS THE BEST 4X4 VECHICLE EVER!" from the article. This is more blog than encyclopedic. -DutchTower (talk) 13:55, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

2010 Case IH Scout

the scout is back, but as a side by side utility. should this be noted because it does have the same name and is produced by the same company? http://www.caseihscout.com/Home.aspx link to the website —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.235.92.237 (talk) 20:24, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

"International" brand

Trucks built by "International Harvester Company" (and "Navistar") are branded "International". This is true from at least 1914, the name may have been in use by 1908. "A History of International Trucks (PDF copy of this article)". International Harvester Company, Chicago, Illinois. April 25, 1961. Retrieved September 19, 2017. explains the brand name in the first paragraph of the second page. Seventy-five years of "International Harvester Company" brochures for "International" trucks are here: [1]

There is a discussion about all International/International Harvester brands at " "Are International Harvester trucks branded "International"?. Thank you. Sammy D III (talk) 15:48, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

Move discussion in progress

There is a move discussion in progress on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Trucks which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. —RMCD bot 03:16, 25 September 2017 (UTC)

In the real world these trucks are named "International Scout" without the word "Harvester"

The International Harvester Company manufactured and sold these trucks as "International® Scout®" Between 1964 and 1978. In 1978-1979 then "Scout II" and "Scout Terra" were not marketed as "International".[2][3][4])

International Harvester Co. has told the public that they have sold trucks under the "International" name since 1914 in 1947 (p. 2), 1961 (p. 2), and 1976 (pp. 14-15, 18-26). An editor might think that one of the world's largest truck manufacturers would know the registered trademark brand name that they sell those trucks under. International Harvester Co. should at the very least be a source for WP:OFFICIALNAMES. Probably WP:COMMONNAME too, most automobile and truck articles use the vehicle's official name.

This box has published sources for the WP:COMMONNAME being "International":

Extended content

Burness, Tad (1985). American Truck & Bus Spotter's Guide 1920-1985. Motorbooks International. pp. 215–250. ISBN 0-87938-198-1. has "IHC Chicago" under the section title. Page 226 and 229 label the hood ornament logos as "IH". Everything else is "International", "International Trucks", or "International Motor trucks". Crismon, Fred W. (2001). International Trucks: 100 Years 1907-2007. Crestline. ISBN 978-0970056726. Davies, Peter J. (2000). The World Encyclopedia of Trucks. Lorenz Books. pp. 401–403. ISBN 0-7548-0518-2. Page 401 is International Harvester, Melbourne, Australia. Page 402-403 is International Harvester, Chicago, Illinois, USA. This sources all trucks after 1914 being named "International". It does not mention 1978-1979. Foster, Patrick (2015). International Harvester Trucks, The Complete History. Motorbooks. pp. 109–112, 116–117, 120–121, and others to 159. ISBN 978-0-7603-4860-4. p. 109: "This was the International Scout 80, a two-door utility car...". It does not mention 1978-1979. Mroz, Albert (1996). The Illustrated Encyclopedia of American Trucks and Commercial Vehicles. Krause. pp. 206–212. ISBN 0-87341368-7. This sources all trucks after 1914 being named "International". It does not mention 1978-1979. Wood, Donald F. (1998). American Buses. MBI Publishing. pp. 23, 41, 42, 58, 65, 77, 96, 101, 116, 123, 127, 130. ISBN 0-7603-0432-7. uses "International" or "International chassis". This only sources the general use of the name "International". Motor's Truck and Diesel Repair Manual (26 ed.). Motor. 1973. ISBN 0-910992-16-9. index has "International" (915-953) and "International Diesel Engines" (1224-1249). The word "Harvester is never used in the index or either section. Page 916 has specifications on the "Scout" from 1962-1971.

Look at some images. The Scout 80 has "International Scout" stamped on the tailgate. The Scout 800 has it on the grill. Many have it in the "Scout II" category. Do you see the word "International" in some? Do you see the word "Harvester" in any?

This article was created with a made-up (probably a mistake) name with no source. As of today there is still no WP:RELIABLE source for the word "Harvester" in the name other than possibly in 1978-1979 "Scout II®".

Right now Wikipedia is saying that "International Harvester Scout" is both the WP:COMMONNAME and WP:OFFICIALNAMES for these trucks when WP:RELIABLE show that only two trucks in 1978-1979 were not marketed as "International®. A Wikipedia-specific made-up name is presented as a common fact.

Some editors (@Amakuru, BarnCas, DanTD, Steve Lux, Jr., and SteveCof00:) do not believe that the sources above are WP:RELIABLE for WP:COMMONNAME and/or WP:OFFICIALNAMES and have opposed any name-changes. All have been shown most of these sources.

"Harvester" it is. Sammy D III (talk) 00:52, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

392 engine in 1969 Scout

Correction re possible installations of 392 cu engine in 1969 Scout.

At least one 1969 Scout was delivered to Ottawa Ontario Canada with a 392 engine. This unit also had a 5 speed over and under transmission ( bull low and passing gear). There was also a power take off on the transmission ( never used). This Scout was delivered to my father mid summer 69, after a 6 month wait. The dealership was on Industrial Avenure Ottawa and the salesmans name was Eric

I hope that this infornation can add to your data library.

Rgds Edwin Deschutter 70.66.68.172 (talk) 04:15, 18 December 2021 (UTC)

• To put this in the article, we must have some kind of source for the claims. Newspaper articles, books, something in print preferably, from a reliable source, that backs up the claims. This is required from most entries in the encyclopedia. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 13:25, 19 December 2021 (UTC)