Talk:Interstate 86 (Pennsylvania–New York)/Archive 1

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i am adding a section on major improvements that must be completed before current NY-17 can be given interstate status as I-86. Ebac on keyboard 21:50, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

The FHWA log puts it at 176.57 miles in New York - this is at exit 48 or just east at the county line.[1] --SPUI (T - C) 22:55, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Major cities

I agree with most of the recent removals of the non-major cities on the list. However, the one that I do not agree with is Corning, since Corning is the home of one of the most important interchanges on the STE (with US 15) in regards to accessing central Pennsylvania and will soon be home to an intersection of a pair of two-digit interstates (I-86 and I-99), making it a major city, IMHO.

Also, Corning is an official control city on expressway directional signs. --TwinsMetsFan 02:49, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Description and Exit List

Both additions to the article now look fine. However, I think that they would look better and more organized if they were separated by county (as otherwise, the description looks like an essay and the list looks never-ending). For me personally, the description would benefit more from this change than the list. --TMF T - C 15:50, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Probably better to split the description by major cities or segments than by county, as most county lines are not along natural features, while the description concentrates on said features. I'll see about adding counties to the exit list. --SPUI (T - C) 19:02, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
Yes, separating the description using major/control cities or other segments using third-level headlines will work fine. The addition of counties to the exit list would be great. --TMF T - C 19:12, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Map?

Any chance of someone making a map to better show exactly where this new road starts and ends? Flyerhell 18:34, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

The map does not reflect the fact that in September 2006, a 9.9 mile section of New York State Route 17 just east of Binghamton (between Exits 75 and 79) was designated as I-86. Stratosphere, if you could change your map to address this, I for one would appreciate it. Ebac on keyboard 20:04, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

The current official designation of this road

I-86 E??

The article is a bit confusing, it implies that it continues along the path east of Elmira that takes it into Pennsylvania, briefly, yet it also says that it currently is only designated to Elmira. Can someone clarify and tell me if this map is accurate, or if I need to just extend it to it's eventual end at I-87. Stratosphere (T/C) 04:38, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

As far as I know, the current official I-86 designation ends at Exit 52 at the NY 14 junction in Horseheads Village. I am not sure if it has been officially extended beyond that. --Polaron | Talk 04:43, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
The current eastern terminus of I-86 is at exit 52, NY 14, and will most likely be until the bypass around the Horseheads area is completed (Official NYSDOT Horseheads Byp. Site). That said, I'd leave the map as shown to the right.
The reason that this article was written the way it was (implying that I-86 currently goes to I-87) was, I'm guessing, an effort by a certain editor to undermine the NY 17 article. --TMF T - C 04:59, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
I-86 with extension in lighter red/dotted
Would anyone object to the this image? Stratosphere (T/C) 05:07, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
That map looks fine to me. That way, it's clear where I-86 currently ends (and where it will eventually extend to), even if it isn't as clear in the article. --TMF T - C 05:11, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
Good enough. Thanks for the prompt responses, guys! Cheers. Stratosphere (T/C) 05:13, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
Whoever is maintaining this wikipedia page and keeps deleting my modification, please know that the official end of i-86 is now at Rt. 352 in Elmira (exit 56). The Horseheads interchange was completed in August of 2007.
Do you have a reliable source that indicates this? --TMF Let's Go Mets - Stats 12:47, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
By this, I mean the official extension of I-86 - I'm aware the Horseheads "Bypass" has been completed. The last official, reliable news I've seen about I-86 was a NYSDOT press release in August that indicated the DOT was in the process of getting I-86 extended over the new section. --TMF Let's Go Mets - Stats 12:54, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

According to federal law, "New York and Pennsylvania State Route 17 from Harriman, New York, to its intersection with I-90 in Pennsylvania...shall become a part of the Interstate System at such time as the Secretary determines that the segment-- (i) meets the Interstate System design standards approved by the Secretary under section 109(b) of title 23, United States Code; and (ii) connects to an existing Interstate System segment."

It would be nice if the FHWA posted determinations like this online. --NE2 20:36, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

The only official proof i have of this are pictures of the interstate shields displaying I-86 at the Exit 56 ramps... i live in Elmira and have pictures of the shields that were installed in August. There is no construction at this point anymore in the Horseheads area. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Senty78 (talk • contribs) 17:35, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
I know that I don't count as a reliable source, but I went on 86/17 east coming home from college on Saturday, and did not see any official 86 shields on the road after the NY 14 exit. I saw a few "future 86" signs though. Also, according to this article, 86 still officially ends at the NY 14 exit, but that will change soon when the segment to exit 56 is granted interstate status by FHA. S. Ellis (talk) 02:50, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

After much debate over this article, I have updated it to display its current status as of 14 August 2008. It officially ends at Exit 56 in Elmira, with proper citation. I'm not very savvy when it comes to editing these pages, but i did what i could. The map at the top needs to be updated to reflect this change, and the exit listing must contain exits 54 and 56, which until today were part of NY 17. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Senty78 (talk • contribs) 14:33, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Route number

Does anyone know why the new interstate to replace Route 17 was numbered 86? I am curious as there is already another Route 86 in New York state, in the Adirondacks. November Hotel Romeo Hotel Sierra Two Zero One Zero ✈ 02:02, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

Unless PA and NY wanted another I-99, the number had to be 86 since the route lies north of I-84 and south of I-88. Whether or not there is or was another highway numbered 86 in New York is pretty much irrelevant. In fact, if either of the route's numbers was going to be changed to accommodate the other, NY 86 would have been changed, not I-86. – TMF 04:05, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
And I should also note there's a PA 86 too. – TMF 04:06, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
Does this also mean that the interstate numbering system ran out of numbers that they had to add another I-86? (there is already one in Idaho) November Hotel Romeo Hotel Sierra Two Zero One Zero ✈ 21:29, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
No. Two-digit Interstate Highways are numbered to fit into a national grid (see Interstate Highway System#Numbering system), and like I said earlier, since the route lies north of I-84 and south of I-88, it had to have been numbered I-86. The exception to the numbering, of course, is I-99 - whose number was written into law by a Pennsylvania Congressman. It should also be noted that having two similarly numbered two-digit Interstate Highways is nothing new: I-76, I-84, and I-88 are also repeated. And that's all fine, as explained by the link above.
Really, this is all making a mountain out of a molehill; the I-86 numbering falls perfectly into the national grid, and numerical duplication between NY (and to some extent PA) routes and Interstate Highways has existed on some level since the latter system was created in 1957. Both states use inventory methods that work around this - whether it's PA changing the internal state route number or NY adding an "I" to the Interstate Highway number - so technically there aren't any duplicate routes in either state. – TMF 22:23, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

I86 is 96% in NY

Using I80 & I90 as examples there is no reason to list the states that a route goes through in the introductory statement. Given the minuscule mileage that I86 runs through listing it first, or even at all in the opening statement is misleading to the content of the route. The language of northeastern US captures the region of the route. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DCwom (talk • contribs) 13:30, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

The reason I-80 and I-90 don't list all the states they run through is because the list would overwhelm the lead. There's no reason not to be specific when it's practical to do so. Powers T 19:09, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

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future eastern ending of I-86

@Daniel Case:

I read on this article that I-86 is going to have its eastern terminus at the Thruway, which is not cited. However, I was driving down NY 17 when I reached the interchange for I-84. At the southern side of the exit, I saw a covered interstate shield with the word "end" above it. Does this sign mean that I 86 will end at I 84, not I 87? PointsofNoReturn (talk) 23:06, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

I-86 will still end at the Thruway (I-87). That's just a temporary end sign, since they're signing I-86 in stages. For example, an END I-86 sign currently exists going eastbound on NY 17 at the Chemung County and Tioga County border. There are some federal regulations on where segments of interstates can begin and end, and so likely what's happening is that as they continue to upgrade other parts of NY 17, they will apply to the FHWA to designate another portion of NY 17 in Orange County as I-86, with that portion ending at I-84 for the time being. Vmanjr (talk) 23:14, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
Ok. That makes sense then. Thanks for the input. PointsofNoReturn (talk) 20:50, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

New I-86 designation: western border of Broome County to exit 74

From the western border of Broome County to exit 74 has now also been designated as I-86. I'm not sure when the date for that designation was, but one day I noticed, driving through Binghamton, that all the NY-17 signs are all now co-signed as I-86 as well. It couldn't have been that long ago.

SonikkuAmerica (talk) 18:38, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

Yeah, that's true, except for the Prospect Mountain Interchange, which will be completed in 2020. That's the only stretch that isn't converted and is the thing that splits I-86 in two. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.160.217.229 (talk) 02:14, 8 September 2019 (UTC)

Signs do not equal designations. As was noted in the news, these I-86 signs were posted prematurely: [2]. The only official authority on interstate highway designations is the Federal Highway Administration, which has not approved any new designation since 2013. Please do not edit the article to say otherwise unless you can provide sourced citations to back up your claims. Thanks! Vmanjr (talk) 03:33, 8 September 2019 (UTC)

Adding exits 61 - 75 to exit list

I-86 is on all signage through this segment, so while its not officially designated, I believe that we should follow the signage and include it in the exit list with a note explaining that its not officially designated yet. It avoids confusion and in a way is more encyclopedic, since we are following NYSDOT's own actions. Its not like it will be long until its officially designated anyway; Prospect Mountain is basically done. Smith0124 (talk) 04:33, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

I-86 designation exits 94-100 still pending

Anyone traveling on 17 between Roscoe and Liberty, there are I-86 shields covered up. Doing research, these have been put into place when the Parksville Bypass has started around 2010 or 11 since it's finally up to interstate standards after that point. The reason it's still pending to this day is that one of its ends doesn't connect to another interstate at this moment. Once the other segments beyond Liberty or Roscoe are fully designated along with the other designations in Orange County to I-84, and NY-79 in Windsor, then this section will be added as I-86. The question remains which will occur first. 2604:2000:1105:15E:84DE:EB37:C8D4:2174 (talk) 14:46, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

Traffic numbers

It's hard to believe surface roads ever had "major" traffic jams, when this is virtually the only expressway, in the east at least, to have such little traffic at night that it regularly shows no data on Google Traffic. The east end does, but west of the Interstate 390 (New York) split, all the way to the west end at I-90, it's dead. B137 (talk) 08:25, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

  • Zooming to full wide view where traffic shows up, it seems Interstate 69 in Indiana and the northern highways to Canada above Massachusetts in New England also show no traffic. B137 (talk) 08:28, 20 January 2017 (UTC)
Objection from Erie County PA: it is not "dead". A fair amount of traffic comes on I-86 in NWPA to and from I-90 to Harborcreek Township/City of Erie. (I've been on 86 before) Some (as far as I know) usually use it as a bypass into/from Chautauqua County NY [citation needed] as 90 is tolled after exit 61. If you get traffic jams on the main route it's probably near here. This is just my take as a local so don't base much off it for now.

...Also not to say it's anywhere near as busy as 90 and 79 are up near the city and surrounding... it's not.

Cheers! ~ AC5230 talk 18:11, 28 November 2020 (UTC)

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