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Contradictory...[edit]

May be the following is wrong since it's obviously contradictory:

ICE was incorporated in 1980 shortly after the principal founders graduated from the University of Virginia. ICE began by publishing a series of rules supplements, beginning with "Arms Law", which were intended to serve as modular add-ons to other RPG systems offering greater detail. In time these supplements were tied together to form an RPG system of their own, Rolemaster.

This is perfectly contradictory in the way if that...

ICE was incorporated in 1980...
ICE began by publishing add-ons to other RPG...
In time these supplements were tied together to form Rolemaster...
Rolemaster was first published in 1980...
Then how in time these supplements could have been tied together to form Rolemaster if both Rolemaster and ICE were created in 1980?

What much more likely happened is that Pete Fenlon and friends first created those supplements in the late senveties and then, in 1980, founded ICE and first published Rolemaster. Is there, or somewhere, any source about the facts concerning the refered dates ? 343KKT Kintaro (talk) 19:31, 4 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Look at this: Beginning in 1977 (with Kurt Fischer and S. Coleman Charlton), I began creating the game which we would publish later under the name of Rolemaster. You can find this quotation here, from an interview with Pete Fenlon, but I couldn't find the source... 343KKT Kintaro (talk) 19:53, 4 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Similarities with company history page[edit]

The current text bears a marked resemblance to that found on ICE's history page, http://ironcrown.com/history/

(Though in fairness, I don't know which one was published first: I suppose it's possible that the company page lifted phrases from Wikipedia.) trystero11 (talk) 20:15, 14 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

If you look at the sourcing in the article, it says that the history came from Appelcline's work (taken from rpg.net but written by her in 2006). It's quite possible that both the wiki article and the company page used her stuff as their source. Intothat darkness 20:27, 14 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. Thanks for the follow-up. (BTW, Shannon Appelcline is male: http://www.skotos.net/about/staff/shannon_appelcline.php) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Trystero11 (talk • contribs) 21:51, 14 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Product[edit]

At their prime ICE were releasing about a book a month set in Middle Earth. In the various ranges there must have been at least a hundred (RPGGeek shows 130 products on https://rpggeek.com/rpg/284/middle-earth-role-playing-1st-2nd-editions, though some are of dubious connection to Middle Earth and others are reissues with different covers (Angmar vs Angmar: Land of the Witch King). The article should reflect this, but building a full listing for a defunct and out of print range seems a tad pointless. Ideas?Nickpheas (talk) 13:36, 30 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

New products[edit]

It appears that there have not been any recent updates to the published list of products in a couple of years. While I have not gone through the list in detail (since I can not edit, due to "conflict of interest", being a freelance writer for Iron Crown Enterprises and Guild Companion Publishing), I at least wanted to make those who can update this page that there has been at least 1 HARP book and two new Rolemaster books published in the past year, as well as several more in the "pipeline".

The list of published products seems too short (as if there are numerous items missing from the list), especially relative to the MERP product line. Which someone else had noted above in another comment. Adsmalley (talk) 23:58, 19 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]