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Separate article on Ceasefire movement[edit]

Should there be a separate article specifically covering calls for a permanent ceasefire in Gaza? None of the articles in Category:Reactions to the Israel–Hamas war seem to cover the topic in depth. Proposing it here first because I don't have much experience editing in this particular area and don't want to make an article that the community has already decided shouldn't exist. Have there been any previous discussions on this? The Midnite Wolf (talk) 23:55, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 9 April 2024[edit]

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update the number of palestinians killed from 20,000 to 30,000 TheUnableDerk (talk) 18:06, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Shadow311 (talk) 18:53, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Here is NPR: https://www.npr.org/2024/02/29/1234159514/gaza-death-toll-30000-palestinians-israel-hamas-war

They say even 30,000 is an "incomplete count". Jester6482 (talk) 01:40, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And here is Time Magazine: https://time.com/6909636/gaza-death-toll/ Jester6482 (talk) 03:07, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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For Colombia University protests. It currently present it as if the entire protest is anti-Semitic and calling for bloodshed of Israelis and nothing more to it. That's not really accurate and a terrible overgeneralization.

I ask to add in a statement from organisers of the protest that denounced all messages of hate and it doesn't represent them, and that also they are explicitly protesting for the university's divestment from Israel.

In North America chapter, then United States subchapter, and after the second last paragraph, add in this edit;

The organizers of the campus protest, including Columbia University Apartheid Divest and Columbia Students for Justice in Palestine, have emphasized their commitment to a peaceful protest and explicitly disassociated themselves from non-student protesters outside the campus, who they denounced as "inflammatory individuals" who do not align with their political message. The organizers further stated they reject all messages of hate and bigotry, and that they have solidarity with a diverse coalition of students representing various backgrounds, including Palestinian, Muslim, Arab, Jewish, Black, and pro-Palestinian individuals.[1] Furthermore, their stated explicit goal is to conduct peaceful protests and occupy the campus lawn until their university divest its endowments from companies linked to Israel.[2][3][4]49.181.129.196 (talk) 22:50, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, Wikipedia can't say it's against POV with these sorts of lies of omission. All of the footage of protesters being brutalized on these campus by police and their violent opposition is out there for everyone to see right now. Jester6482 (talk) 01:42, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Protest goals[edit]

I wouldn't mind if demands for the destruction of Israel are included with source. However, some of the references used do not abide with general consensus on reliability, which should be the important standard in contentious topics such as these. I advise involved editors to settle these problems here before reverting anything. Borgenland (talk) 08:40, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The majority of the "destruction of israel" sources are hung up on the "From the River to the sea" chant which has a different meaning depending on who you ask. Wikipedia itself says "Many Palestinian activists have called it "a call for peace and equality" after decades of Israeli military rule over Palestinians while for Jews it has been "a clear demand for Israel’s destruction."

So I find an issue with @RAMSES$44932 cherry picking every instance this is used by a protester with no context to what their beliefs are to say its a call for the destruction of Israel. PaulRKil (talk) 17:06, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And what about "destroy the settler-Zionist state"? And what about "From the river to the Sea, PALESTINE IS ARAB"? All of them are mentioned in the articles RAMSES$44932 (talk) 17:15, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Couldn't find that variant of the statement but "From the river to the sea, Palestine is Arab" doesn't deviate too far from "Palestine will be free." In fact, no source states explicitly that protestors called for the destruction of Israel. The only time destruction is mentioned in these articles are when the articles accuse the "From the River to the Sea" of calling for the destruction of Israel or them re-iterating that the IDF's goal is to destroy Hamas. The only thing I found was protestors carrying a sign that says "Death to Israel" in the rally that al Sadr lead in Iraq which is not enough to frame an entire protest movement as having the same goal. PaulRKil (talk) 17:37, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"From the River to the Sea" has also become less and less common at these events. I've heard most recently "up up with liberation, down down with the occupation" and since no one is keeping official record I wouldn't be surprised if "(Free,) Free Palestine" was always the most popular slogan and only ever eclipsed by "From the River to the Sea" locally in spurts. Jester6482 (talk) 01:44, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Remove Palestinian death toll from this article (Synopsis)[edit]

Obviously, the death toll is significant and ever-growing, and an important motivator for the protests. But as this is an ongoing dataset, to put it clinically, there would need to be consistent edits made to the article to keep that statistic up to date. As of May 1st, the death toll cited in Israel–Hamas war is 34,596. Meanwhile, this article shows the death toll as merely having "exceeded 30,000", which of course isn't incorrect, but I don't necessarily see the point in having to keep track of the same statistic on two (or potentially more) pages when the stat is constantly changing. Blackjackrobo (talk) 01:59, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I would disagree since RS reporting on the protests have always highlighted that the casualty figures were the driving force for the protests. Makeandtoss (talk) 12:54, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I take your point. Honestly, I don't really mind it either way anymore. Not sure exactly how to "close" a discussion, but in any case I'm happy to withdraw my original suggestion. Blackjackrobo (talk) 23:22, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]