Talk:Ivan R. Gates

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Did you know nomination[edit]

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Vaticidalprophet (talk) 01:22, 13 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Created by Clarityfiend (talk). Self-nominated at 20:12, 30 May 2021 (UTC).[reply]

  • Comment. I was only 99.9% sure the "Ivan Gates" referred to in most newspaper articles was this person. It was (very) remotely possible that there were two of the same uncommon name who just happened to be pilots in San Francisco, but then I found an obscure newspaper two newspapers, the Atlanta Constitution and the obscure Napa Daily Journal, that did specify that it was "Ivan R. Gates". Clarityfiend (talk) 02:12, 31 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Addendum. The San Francisco Examiner article has a (somewhat blurry) photo of the pilot. The profile (especially the chin) looks similar to the one in a later photo in the Wright State University collection. Clarityfiend (talk) 02:26, 31 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Eureka! The New York Daily News obituary confirms that the barnstormer was the pioneering police pilot. The much clearer photo of him handling off the miscreant to his chief of police cinches it. Clarityfiend (talk) 10:36, 4 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
QPQ: Done.
Overall: Hook and subject are certainly interesting, article is new and long enough, sources check out and no copyvio detected. Cat's Tuxedo (talk) 18:36, 6 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

New York City[edit]

@Clarityfiend: I'd suggest taking that concern up at template talk, but at the moment the documentation supports the previous version. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:10, 5 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

No it doesn't. As I stated in my comment, it specifically calls for "city, administrative region, country". You're the one who's ignoring the documentation. Clarityfiend (talk) 00:12, 5 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, it does. "Omit unnecessary or redundant details. For example, it is not necessary to state: New York City, New York, United States when New York City, U.S. conveys essentially the same information more concisely." is a direct quote from the documentation - NYC is specifically called out as an exception to the usual format. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:24, 5 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
That guideline is routinely ignored a fair chunk of the time (perhaps because it is iconsistent to not have both in the birth and death places). From List of people from New York City:
Including the state: Aaliyah, Bella Abzug, Garnett Adrain
Excluding: George Abernethy, Cornelius Rea Agnew, Eva Allen Alberti. Clarityfiend (talk) 00:46, 5 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Nikkimaria: I have taken your suggestion and started a discussion at Template talk:Infobox person#NYC, the center of the universe?. Clarityfiend (talk) 01:12, 5 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]