Talk:Jahangir Siddiqui & Co.

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Copyright problem[edit]

‎ This article has been revised as part of a large-scale clean-up project of multiple article copyright infringement. (See the investigation subpage) The article was created and has subsequently been expanded by a serial-copyright infringer under the accounts User:Siddiqui and User:AlphaGamma1991. Earlier text must not be restored, unless it can be verified to be free of infringement. For legal reasons, Wikipedia cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from other web sites or printed material; such additions must be deleted. Contributors may use sources as a source of information, but not as a source of sentences or phrases. Accordingly, the material may be rewritten, but only if it does not infringe on the copyright of the original or plagiarize from that source. Please see our guideline on non-free text for how to properly implement limited quotations of copyrighted text. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 01:27, 15 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

THIS PAGE IS CONTINUOUSLY BEING VANDALISED AND UNCITED MATERIAL IS BEING ADDED —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.76.180.189 (talk) 11:41, 13 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Copyright problem removed[edit]

Prior content in this article duplicated one or more previously published sources. The material was copied from: http://www.pak-times.com/2009/05/14/a-self-made-jahangir-siddiqui-in-the-beginning/ and http://www.cssforum.com.pk/off-topic-section/humorous-inspirational-general-stuff/34072-success-story-business-giant-jahangir-sidiqqui-v-inspirational.html. Infringing material has been rewritten or removed and must not be restored, unless it is duly released under a compatible license. (For more information, please see "using copyrighted works from others" if you are not the copyright holder of this material, or "donating copyrighted materials" if you are.) For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from other web sites or published material; such additions will be deleted. Contributors may use copyrighted publications as a source of information, but not as a source of sentences or phrases. Accordingly, the material may be rewritten, but only if it does not infringe on the copyright of the original or plagiarize from that source. Please see our guideline on non-free text for how to properly implement limited quotations of copyrighted text. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously, and persistent violators will be blocked from editing. While we appreciate contributions, we must require all contributors to understand and comply with these policies. Thank you. Moonriddengirl (talk) 12:42, 22 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I have temporarily semi-protected this page do to repeated and long-term copyright problems and BLP issues. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 12:46, 22 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Another copyright problem has been removed, with content copied from [2]. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 10:25, 22 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

How to improve this article[edit]

Given the persistent edit warring on this article; there are ways to improve it, particularly with neutral information. Taking a example like Citigroup, a lot of information can be added to this article such as:

  • History of the company - mergers, acquisitions, expansion, etc.
  • Organization - what holdings/companies/subsidiaries make JS Group?
  • Operations - where does JS Group operate? What do they do?
  • {{Infobox company}} - have important information accessible.

If any editors need help or have questions, let myself or another editor know.--NortyNort (Holla) 09:10, 4 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Adding detailed information about JS Group and its subsidiaries and their public relations activities[edit]

I want to add the details about the JS Bank, a subsidiary of JS Group and the Group's public relations activities. Allow me to make the improvements in this article. I made changes earlier but they were removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cheetah Khan (talk • contribs) 03:32, 19 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The information added is entirely too promotional and uncyclopedia. The article needs to be neutral in its tense and content.--NortyNort (Holla) 05:23, 19 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

promotional tone[edit]

Hey Haider, I think you should give some of the text another look on your recent changes. Some of the lead and other text sounds too promotional, like it came from the company website. Millahnna (talk) 16:17, 30 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Spamfest[edit]

This whole article is one giant spamfest - it reads like the kind of promotional stuff you would find on a corporate website. – ukexpat (talk) 02:37, 31 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Contested deletion[edit]

This page is not unambiguously promotional, because It is a financial group of Pakistan. It has presence since last 40 years and it is operating in many business sectors. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.71.15.180 (talk) 06:18, 1 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Contested deletion[edit]

This page is not unambiguously promotional, because... (your reason here) --119.153.142.139 (talk) 12:29, 2 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Ongoing promotion[edit]

Content such as "Masala became a household name that was recognized all across Pakistan and helped set the dinner tables in almost all homes" is inherently promotional. It may be true, but it cannot be supported by a primary source reference, and it should not be added to the article at all by an affiliate of the subject. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 11:28, 28 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Marketing Bias[edit]

This page is being maintained by user Xakiahmed (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki) who has close links with JS Group and is a social Media Marketer working for the company, and thus, due to apparent conflict of interest, should be barred from editing this page Asifkhanj (talk) 20:14, 8 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Reply to Asifkhanj[edit]

However, I am engaged in Marketing for JS group. But, I tried to maintain a neutral tone for JS group at Wikipedia. Asifkhanj has deleted many of the content which is not promotional. They are directly from state bank and other organizations. Thus I request that neutrality of page should be maintained and no bias content to be uploaded. Asifkhanj only added negative content about JS group.

In that case, you should be editing and maintaining JS Groups own page. Wikipedia is not for this purpose. Asifkhanj (talk) 18:31, 11 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I do. But a neutral point of view should be maintained. It is not ethical that one person always post a negative report of any organization.

Deletion of Transportation Section[edit]

As the group has shut down its transportation operations, I want to remove this section from Wikipedia page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Xakiahmed (talk • contribs) 13:02, 14 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Deletion of COI[edit]

I want to remove the COI|date=January 2012. Can I proceed? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Xakiahmed (talk • contribs) 04:31, 11 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The user has been referred to WP:COI. --ukexpat (talk) 20:26, 8 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
You are a paid marketer working on behalf of the JS Group to manage their brand on Wikipedia; your article contributions clearly demonstrate that this is your sole purpose for working here. I have restored the COI tag. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 11:07, 25 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Removing Controversies[edit]

the controversies are baseless and misleading. Cases filed against JS Group were proved baseless and malicious. Such cases are damaging the reputation of company. Such controversies should be removed which are based on rivals propaganda. [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Creative factor (talk • contribs)

That is not how Wikipedia works. The material is cited and is not given undue weight. It is a matter of your opinion (otherwise know as WP:OR) that it is "baseless" and your opinion has no place in an encyclopedia. QuiteUnusual (talk) 13:30, 30 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

References[edit]

Added a reference tag to make CreativeFactor's refs easier to read. Sjö (talk) 13:34, 30 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

  1. ^ ePaper. The Nation (27 March 2012).
  2. ^ Jahangir Siddiqui Case Politically Motivated. Tribune.com.pk.
  3. ^ Defamation: Jahangir Siddiqui sues for Rs5b, The Express Tribune, January 1, 2011. Tribune.com.pk (1 January 2011).
  4. ^ http://www.thesundayleader.lk/2011/02/27/right-of-reply-7/
  5. ^ [1]
  6. ^ http://www.thenews.com.pk/Todays-News-13-23072-SHC-issues-restraining-order-against-TIP-on-JS-Banks-plea
  7. ^ http://www.nation.com.pk/business/21-Dec-2013/js-bank-wins-preliminary-injunction-against-ti-in-germany
  8. ^ http://www.pakistantoday.com.pk/2013/04/05/business/js-group-says-ali-siddiqui-received-4-3m-bonus-for-pict-heroics/
  9. ^ http://www.dawn.com/news/1014791/js-group-denies-probe-of-insider-trading
  10. ^ http://www.thenews.com.pk/Todays-News-13-27746-Court-records-statements-of-applicants

Deletion[edit]

The page of JS Group is full of personal attacks. land Grabbing Case was against owner, not its group. so it must not be shared at JS Group page. Allegations of Sunday leader was fake as no reports of SECP are found or lodged. Finally, Sprint Energy is not owned by JS Group, it has shares in it. Bonus to Ali siddiqui is nothing to do with company operations. So kindly tell me how these information can be removed from page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Creative factor (talk • contribs) 09:59, 31 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

All of the coverage of the controversy in there is referenced from reliable sources, as well as the ownership of Sprint Energy. Can you please point out which of the referenced assertions is wrong? I also can't see any personal attacks in the article. But while JS Bank is a subsidiary of Jahangir Siddiqui & Co. Ltd., the CEO of that company and his family weren't alleged to have been acting on behalf of the company in the land acquisition controversy, there might be a case for removing the section "Land grabbing case and decision", or moving it to a more relevant article. What do other editors think? Ruby Murray 10:16, 31 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Land Grabbing Cases stated that "Jahangir Siddiqui’s wife, Mehwish Siddiqui, his son, Ali Jahangir Siddiqui, and his brother Zahid Siddiqui had also been placed on the ECL, which alleged that Jahangir Siddiqui had illegally occupied a plot of 1,000 square yards in Karachi in connivance with the owner of an estate agency, using forged documents" | This is no against JS Group. Rather this case was against persons, so this should be removed from JS Group page. This could be termed as Information moved to another article under WP:ANOTHER. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Creative factor (talk • contribs) 06:59, 1 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. The land grabbing section should be moved to a new article Jahangir Siddiqui, as he is certainly notable in his own right, both for his business activities and for the Mahvash & Jahangir Siddiqui Foundation, for which there's already a good sized article. Ruby Murray 13:46, 1 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I've created the article about Siddiqui, and moved that section there. Ruby Murray 12:32, 2 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Investment Transactions Allegations[edit]

Creative factor (talk) 09:55, 3 February 2014 (UTC) I just want to notify editors that no report of SECP is issued or published against JSCL or any company of JS Group. The report of Sunday Leader does not have any reference to SECP report. Its like writer of that article has created fake news to defame JS. I have visited the website but this cannot be verified as no such reports exist against JS Group.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Creative factor (talk • contribs) [reply]

The first paragraph of the Sunday Leader reference[3] reads:

A new report by the Securities & Exchange Commission of Pakistan (SECP) has finally brought to the limelight an insider trading scam of massive proportions carried out by one of the country’s most notorious businessmen. The SECP has found that the Jahangir Siddiqui Group (JS Group) is guilty of illegal stock market manipulation and insider trading. Although under pressure to be suppressed, the report has been leaked to the press. Insider trading is a criminal offence and the SECP’s report contains evidence that one of the country’s largest brokerages has achieved its wealth by market manipulation and delusion of the Pakistani masses that invested in the stock market.

What do you mean when you write that it "cannot be verified"? Has that allegation been withdrawn by the Sunday Leader? If so, then please provide a reference. Ruby Murray 11:08, 3 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Investment Transactions Allegations[edit]

To all administrators, Violent cat (talk) 06:56, 14 February 2014 (UTC) only sunday leader alleged this, but no such inquiry reported so far. That is the reason we do not have any sources. No local paper published such news, not even SECP reported such inquiry about Insider Trading against JS Group. So the report of Sunday leader is simply published to defame the organization. The inquiry remained only in news, no proceeding news exist. further, these controversies are not against JS Group. Rather this is against 23 companies and JS is not named in it. check the sources sighted. Delete the content kindly. JS Group is not involved in stock exchange business. 23 companies reported to be involved in this. JS Group has nothing to do with stock exchange. The content should be removed or at least move to another article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Violent cat (talk • contribs) 06:58, 14 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Sprint Energy[edit]

Cat after cat (talk) 08:37, 18 February 2014 (UTC)The sprint energy is separate entity. It has commands on its operations. The case of sprint energy should be moved to its company page rather it should be present here at JS group page who own it. If every report of owned companies being shared on this page, the page will depict anything else, but not the JS group. Please review.[reply]

Sunday Leader[edit]

Cat after cat (talk) 08:37, 18 February 2014 (UTC)JS group is not involved in share trading activities. Company owned by JS is being enquired for this case. The local newspapers are claiming that the case was against 23 companies including company owned by JS group, not the JS itself. So the content should be moved to that company’s page. Please Review.[reply]

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