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Comment by Chadason[edit]

This is an inaccurate wikipida page. The first paragraph is opinionated and non-factual leading to Wikipidia to be viewed as a company to be untruthful.

Not only is James Allsup a conservative, but he had repeatedly said that he does not believe in the far right, that the far right is beyond the scope of sanity, and that he bares no relation to their views.

This Wikipidia page is slander in a every legal sense of the word. Wikipidia can be held liable for such criminal acts. Please fix the opinionated portions to fit the facts. To protect Wikipidia. Chadason (talk) 23:24, 14 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

This is an inaccurate wikipida page. The first paragraph is opinionated and non-factual leading to Wikipidia to be viewed as a company to be untruthful.

Not only is James Allsup a conservative, but he had repeatedly said that he does not believe in the far right, that the far right is beyond the scope of sanity, and that he bares no relation to their views.

This Wikipidia page is slander in a every legal sense of the word. Wikipidia can be held liable for such criminal acts. Please fix the opinionated portions to fit the facts. To protect Wikipidia. Chadason (talk) 23:24, 14 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Chadason and welcome to Wikipedia. The introduction to the article specifically states "Allsup has been described as white supremacist. He has stated that he prefers the term "American nationalist." As a seemingly brand new user to Wikipedia, I strongly suggest you try and edit less contentious areas first. As well, please be aware of our no legal threat policy. Forming consensus requires quite a bit of understanding of Wikipedia policies and it is hard to do for new users. Try checking out our Wikipedia:Community portal and gain some practice editing first. The previous consensus discussion took a long time to form, is a year old, and would need a very good argument to over turn. Please check out the previous disucssion before trying to propose a new lead. HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 23:28, 14 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

That was Chadasons 2nd and last edit. Doug Weller talk 15:58, 8 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Chadson is correct that the implications of this abstract are that James is a Nazi and white-supremacist. Of course, since these claims are unestablished (the SPLC is notoriously unreliable), there is zero reason to put these implications forth and revert to the null that he is not. NikolaiSKarkaroff (talk) 07:36, 20 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Jelte Wicherts citation and Improper Implications[edit]

Firstly, I'd like to acknowledge that Wicherts is obviously a credible source and a good researcher but the context in which this article discusses his 2010 response to Richard Lynn is flawed because it implies (and directly states) a claim that is controversial and unestablished (plus ignores all the evidence in favor of Lynn including from Lynn himself). (will add more once done source fetching) 07:39, 20 January 2021 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by NikolaiSKarkaroff (talk • contribs)

The first paragraph[edit]

I read the now-archived discussion on the first paragraph and I don't see how it reflects consensus. Reliable sources (and many different ones, at that, including Fox Business News) refer to Allsup as a white supremacist. I'm particularly in agreement with Grayfell's point - Why are we using euphemisms like "far-right" in the opening sentence? I'm making an edit where I'm basically re-wording what's already there. JimKaatFan (talk) 15:00, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Participate in the deletion discussion at the nomination page. —Community Tech bot (talk) 11:07, 24 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]