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Greetings. New research on the military aspects of the Jameson Raid, relevant to this article is available at defenceWeb Regards, Zerbet

Background[edit]

For this article to stand on its own, there should be some more background information on the state of the indigenous people, and what slavery meant in these colonies and republics. What is striking about the account of the migrations to frontiers, setting up new places, etc. is the utter lack of any content about the Zulus and Xhoisan. Also, for people not familiar with this material, it would be helpful to provide some population numbers.--Parkwells (talk) 04:08, 20 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Background is adequate[edit]

In response to Parkwells: I cannot see the relevance at all. The Jameson Raid article is primarily about the war and politics of white settlers and colonial power in Southern Africa, as described in the article, and wherever there is relevance the indigenous population is mentioned. E.g. slavery is mentioned as an issue in the Great Trek and the Ndebele and Shona are mentioned in "Aftermath". This article has a specific topic, it is not a vehicle for general political enquiries about the state of indigenous people and slavery. In any case if such "background information" is missing, I fail to see why the Zulus and Xhoisan should be mentioned and not also the Xhosa and others. I also think that in the context of South Africa, discussing "race relations" or "apartheid" (although the political term was coined later) in the colonies would be far more insightful than just the role that slavery played. Slavery did not play such a big part as e.g. in the US. But such "background information" would be out of place here. It would be in anyone's interest to update his or her knowledge about the indigenous peoples of South Africa before singling out specific races and excluding others. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.169.56.197 (talk) 16:38, 19 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Flora Shaw etc[edit]

Mofre work is needed on the telegram gthat was sent to Flora Shaw, The Times, and the subsequent parlaimentary investigation (see Moberly Bell's book on Shaw).

¬¬¬¬ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jb1944 (talk • contribs) 15:58, 27 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

imprisonment[edit]

Just a note that Massie in Dreadnought, Britain, Germany and the coming of the great war, says Jameson received a royal pardon after serving only 4 months of the 15 month sentence and that it was in a comfortable jail. (p.229)Sandpiper (talk) 23:02, 23 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Telegram[edit]

Should there be a mention of the impact of a unpunctuated telegram cabled to 'The Times' creating ambiguity?

It is under these circumstances that we feel constrained to call upon you to come to our aid should a disturbance arise here the circumstances are so extreme that we cannot but believe that you and the men under you will not fail to come to the rescue of people who are so situated.

This is discussed in Eric Patridge's "Usage and Abusage" and Truss's "Eats, Shoots & Laves" Taras.di (talk) 03:31, 11 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]