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Number of Casualties[edit]

Hours after the events, 4 IDF soldiers were reported as wounded, now the number stood as 2KIA and 7 wounded, some sources claim conflicting numbers like 4 KIA and one captured.
http://en.annahar.com/article/209545-border-skirmish-claims-four-victims-on-t-on-the-israeli-side-following-hezbollah
http://www.kashmirobserver.net/news/world-news/4-israeli-soldiers-killed-hezbollah-attack
There is a possibility more wounded become criticall or just die.200.48.214.19 (talk) 21:14, 28 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20150128/1017445210.html 200.48.214.19 (talk) 21:47, 28 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

claimed[edit]

In the Lebanon reactions section I have put the qualifier "claimed", as this is much more NPOV and in line with the U.N's, among others, disagreement as to it being Lebanese territory. Irondome (talk) 18:38, 30 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

By cross fire[edit]

Spain’s foreign affairs minister, José Manuel García-Margallo, called on the UN to carry out an “immediate, exhaustive and complete” investigation of what had happened. As soon as this was done, he said, “he would not hesitate to bring those responsible to justice.” García-Margallo said he had received a phone call from his Israeli counterpart, Avigdor Lieberman, who offered his condolences. The Israeli ambassador to Madrid had also called to offer condolences and apologies, García-Margallo said. Spain calls for UN inquiry into death of Spanish peacekeeper in Lebanon Ashifa Kassam,'Spain calls for UN inquiry into death of Spanish peacekeeper in Lebanon,' The Guardian 29 January 2015

I.e. perhaps this is wrong, but the source says the Israeli ambassador to Spain offered, not condolescences only, but an apology. One never apologizes for a death attributed to cross-fire. Apology implies responsibility. Nishidani (talk) 21:15, 30 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

"Defense Minister Moshe Ya'alon talked with his Spanish counterpart, Pedro Morenés, and conveyed his condolences to the soldier's family and to the Spanish people. Ya'alon told Morenes that Hezbollah attacked an Israeli force with anti-tank missiles, and that the Spanish soldier, who was manning a post between the sides, was killed when the Israeli army returned fire." [1] That is pretty clear. The present "in cross fire" is outrageous. "Israel's Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman blamed Hezbollah for the death of the peacekeeper." is also unacceptably misleading and not a correct report of the source. Zero^talk 21:36, 30 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed. --Z 10:29, 3 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Vandalism by 124.180.153.119[edit]

This IP is involving vandal acts. He reverts the edits without discussion and edit summary. Mhhossein (talk) 04:23, 1 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Israeli–Lebanese conflict[edit]

@Greyshark09: Why did you omitte Israeli–Lebanese conflict from the infobox? The incident happened in the Israeli-occupied Shebaa Farms, per article. Mhhossein (talk) 17:28, 16 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Greyshark09: After almost two years...you did not say why? --Mhhossein ^talk 18:03, 28 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Lebanon was not involved in the incident.GreyShark (dibra) 18:41, 30 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

All of the statements and arguments in the article from Lebanese and Israeli authorities over whether the United Nations Security Council Resolution 1701 is violated or not points to the fact that it is part of the Israeli-Lebanese conflict. --Z 11:49, 6 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hizballah? Israeli-occupied territories?[edit]

@202.161.64.247: We really don't care what CIA and Mossad refers to Hezbollah, since we're not writing reports for them, rather we're editing a free encyclopedia with its own rules. We adhere to reliable sources for determining which term should be used and in this case 'Hezbollah' is the title selected for the GA. As for the Golan heights see this source and Golan Heights. --Mhhossein ^talk 13:39, 15 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

While there are linguistic merits for Hizballah - the English COMMONNAME is clearly Hezbollah. As for the Golan - the NYT is calling it Israeli-controlled Golan and describes the area as The Israeli soldiers were killed at Shebaa Farms — known in Israel as Mont Dov — a strip claimed by Israel, Lebanon and sometimes Syria near the intersection of all three and adjacent to the Golan Heights - which currently isn't properly reflected in the article.[2]. Icewhiz (talk) 14:26, 15 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Removal of the reaction section[edit]

MPS1992: The whole reaction section which is well-sourced was removed. Just why? --Mhhossein ^talk 14:16, 16 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Mhhossein: WP:NOTNEWS, WP:INDISCRIMINATE, WP:NPOV, WP:RECENTISM, WP:QUOTEFARM. Is the reader's understanding of the incident significantly enhanced by learning that the Spanish prime minister sent his condolences because a Spanish UN peacekeeper had been killed? Obviously not -- we expect the Spanish prime minister to send his condolences in such a situation. It would only be significant if he had not sent his condolences. All of the significant reactions, for example the Israeli view, the Iranian view, the UN view et cetera, are already mentioned in the main body of the article. A lengthy Reactions section with obvious reactions and unnecessary flag icons is really not needed.

I have no objection if you wish to write about significant reactions , but it would be better presented as an Aftermath section which discusses how different parties' reactions had reliably sourced impact on the region or the conflict. MPS1992 (talk) 23:07, 16 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]