Talk:Javelin throw

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All-time top 25 (current models)[edit]

What do the different colours mean (brown & green)? There is no key to explain it.

Thanks A Fantasy (talk) 21:42, 26 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Have added a legend. Jmg38 (talk) 04:33, 6 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Older talk[edit]

Should the comment of, for instance: Michigan High School track does not include the javelin. Should this really be included? Its uneccesary and cluttersome. I'm editing it out for those reasons. Clavette 21:51, 20 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I concur. Zzorse 00:51, 21 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Terry Bradshaw held the U.S. High School boys javelin record for years. He then went on to win 4 Super Bowl titles in the National Football League. In my opinion he deserves to be included among the list of famous male javelin throwers. I don't know why somebody removed his name.

There seems to be a hack on the men's famous throwers list. I never knew that was a New-Zealand name. I won't go further. I would edit it, but I don't know the real name. 81.165.165.66 19:52, 24 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The units of measurement for the Javelin throws in the olympics is not shown

Vadims Vasiļevskis[edit]

I see two guys have registered that Vadims Vasiļevskis has thrown 90.43 in Riga yesterday. According to IAAFs pages (and others), he "just" threw 88.12. Check: [1]. I would like to see your sources. Grindstein 18:46, 28 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Well, he threw 90.43 in Riga, not Dessau, see this link - [2]. And also a site from Latvia - [3], [4] ReinisFMF 08:20, 30 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

No javelin in HS?[edit]

Hi guys, its my understanding that javelin is banned in US high schools because of the inherant danger of accidentally tripping onto a javelin or being speared. Is this true? Can there be some mention of deaths, injuries, or banning in this article? Thanks, George

Javelin is not banned nationwide in U.S. high schools. But it is uncommon ("This leaves out such events as multi events, javelin, weight throw, shuttle relays, and race walk, which are not widely contested throughout the US." - DyeState Rankings) It is apparently banned in some some states, ("A student shall participate in no more than four Federation-listed events only, but not javelin in any form." MHSAA Coaches Guidebook [5]) Rmhermen (talk) 15:43, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Safety[edit]

I just axed a mention of the recent jevelin accident in Rome. I don't think we want to catalog accidents here. On the other hand it might be useful to have a section of safety. In that context may these accidents are relevant? This would tie in with the comment above re: Javelin no being thrown in US schools (is this true?) due to safety issues. David D. (Talk) 16:47, 19 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Notable javelin throwers[edit]

I think the men's list is too long, maybe the all time top ten should be removed, as they are already mentioned. Thatlot!! 18:40, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Javelin length[edit]

Before discussing the minutiae of adjusting centre of balance, shouldn't the broader picture, such as the actual length of the javelin, be mentioned? Rhialto (talk) 07:25, 5 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Angle of Release[edit]

"But still the angle of release is under debate . Athletes prefer btw. 30 - 60 degrees but still scientist say 45 is the best ."

I think until this is quoted, it should be removed. If scientists think it, then they recorded that somewhere, or else they are not very good scientists! Memerson3996 (talk) 17:55, 9 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Technique and Muscle Recruitment[edit]

Hello, I added some information about the technique used to throw and what muscles are recruited during each phase of the throw. It didn't seem like there was much information about that.Camisasn28 (talk) 00:36, 25 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

IAAF competition rules link broken[edit]

http://www.iaaf.org/mm/Document/imported/42192.pdf

broken link — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.117.97.74 (talk) 11:57, 29 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Erausqui style[edit]

Would be interesting to introduce this method, the record that were made this way and its consequent IAAF disapproval. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.103.13.72 (talk) 11:41, 30 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Spanish Style[edit]

In the late 50s in Spain it developed a style of release ("Spanish style" or "Basque style" or "Eurasquin style") that was quickly banned. Major releases were achieved with this style

Specifically, Miguel de la Quadra-Salcedo managed to 112.30 m. There is no reference to that unofficial style or world record. JavierBlancoC (talk) 10:55, 22 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Is there any list or information on best throws and what is the time period it was used in official competitions (at least year when it was banned)? 213.149.61.252 (talk) 15:48, 1 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
name that scientist used in papers was "rotational javelin throwing technique"; it was also called "javelin spin technique" and ""soapy water" technique"213.149.61.122 (talk) 20:20, 25 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

there was original "Spanish style" and "modified Spanish style" (which came about immediately after original style was banned; It is the product of Miguel Salcedo, a Spaniard attending the University of Puerto Rico.) 213.149.61.122 (talk) 20:26, 25 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Old models[edit]

If I am not mistaken there've been 3 models of javelin for men: old, serrated tail and new model. Serrated tail was used in period 1986-91.
Women had 2 models: old until 1998, and new.

In the article there is section "Nemeth model (90-91)" which includes women (as a subsection) but years don't match. It also doesn't match with men's model/years. It should be corrected and/or note (explanation) given. 213.149.61.252 (talk) 15:44, 1 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I will admit to not having a perfect knowledge of how javelins developed in the late 80s and early 90s, but I don't think javelins in the 1986-91 period had serrated tails, apart from the Nemeth model. Certainly all marks set in those years are still considered valid today, with the exception of those set using Nemeth javelins. Hymans and Matrahazi, in their world record progression history, say (after detailing Backley's record from July 1990, using a non-Nemeth javelin):

At this point, a further development occurred with the new javelin. Miklós Németh, the 1976 Olympic champion, developed a javelin under the new specifications, except that behind the grip the implement had a series of serrations which served to make the javelin fly further. This effectively contravened the rules governing the event from 1986, but it could not be legislated against until the IAAF-Congress in Tokyo in August 1991. At that point, the marks which follow for Zelezny, Backley and Räty, which had been approved, were deleted as from 20.9.1991, with the 89.58 of Backley, the longest throw with the regular new implement, becoming the accepted WR.

In other words, 1) the Nemeth javelin's serrated tail was a new development in 1990 and 2) the javelin Backley used earlier in 1990 was a model that remains legal today. You are right that the women's old-model section should definitely not be a subsection of the Nemeth one, though. Sideways713 (talk) 12:55, 2 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Dimpled ???[edit]

Dimpled, Serrated tail or Nemeth model #1. What is official? Problem is that each article connected to javelin uses different terminology. I for instance have never heard of dimpled.

Nemeth model #2 introduced by Németh in 1992, used by Železný to throw 94.74 (then a world record), was also ruled illegal for having an additional piece of metal inside the shaft. - it should be added somewhere in the article; guy who "dimpled the article" conveniently erased this. 213.149.62.202 (talk) 22:24, 24 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Fletching[edit]

Why the olimpic javelin has no fletching? is it on the rules? (200.112.106.86 (talk) 04:28, 24 June 2018 (UTC)).[reply]

Its in the IAAF rulebook Rule 193-4, on page 185. "The surface of the shaft shall have no dimples or pimples, grooves or ridges, holes or roughness, and the finish shall be smooth (see Rule 188.4) and uniform throughout."Trackinfo (talk) 06:41, 24 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Dimpled models - Kimmo Kinnunen[edit]

I think there is some inconsistency in this article. I see that in the section for dimpled models (nullified) 'All-time top 5 (dimpled models 1990–1991)', on 4th place there is a throw of

4 90.82 Kimmo Kinnunen (FIN) 26 August 1991 Tokyo

That doesn't seem right since the same throw is also in the 'All-time top 25 (current models)' section above.

15 90.82 m (297 ft 11+1⁄2 in) Kimmo Kinnunen (FIN) 26 August 1991 Tokyo

The reference doesn't help for me, since it only mentions the progression of the WR, not all throws with these models. Maybe all throws in those years were with these models, but that would mean the all-time top 25 is wrong. Number 25 from that list is also from that period

25 89.16 m (292 ft 6 in) A Tom Petranoff (RSA) 1 March 1991 Potchefstroom

Samaritaan (talk) 19:22, 21 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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