Talk:Jaywick

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Style and content[edit]

The style and content is rather refreshing and fun, but not very encyclopedic! Since I don't know anything much about Jaywick I don't think I could take this on, but maybe if someone could look at whats in other small town pages and make a start here...!

IceDragon64 22:09, 13 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I can't see anything wrong with the article. Does anybody object if I remove the NPOV tag? Biscuittin 21:57, 1 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No objections received so I have removed the tag. I have also expanded the article. Biscuittin 14:37, 2 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

k I think is a bit off a reck I will try to fix it. 25.3.2010 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.112.92.126 (talk) 14:49, 25 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Duplicated references[edit]

The lede has "According to the Indices of deprivation 2010 part of the village is the most deprived area in England.[1]", which is almost immediately followed by: "East Jaywick was named as the most deprived area in England according to the Indices of deprivation 2010, based on multiple factors including poverty, crime, education and skill levels, unemployment and housing, as assessed in 2008.[1]" This is entirely appropriate, as the lede is supposed to summarise what follows. However, from WP:LEADCITE: "because the lead will usually repeat information that is in the body…information in the lead section of non-controversial subjects is less likely… to require a source". As the two references are to the same source, supporting identical pieces of information in the article, are both necessary? The linked policy suggests not. —Old Moonraker (talk) 13:48, 8 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

OK, no dissenters? Fixing. --Old Moonraker (talk) 12:37, 15 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review[edit]

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Reviewer: Jaguar (talk · contribs) 16:50, 31 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]


Should have this one for you within a day or two. Thanks! ☯ Jaguar ☯ 16:50, 31 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Jaguar: Okay, and I can generally respond to feedback at the mo since I'm not back to work yet! Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 18:00, 31 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
That's fine, I think I'll leave some comments tomorrow morning. Feel free to come to the review whenever is best for you! ☯ Jaguar ☯ 20:41, 31 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

  1. Is it reasonably well written?
    A. Prose is "clear and concise", without copyvios, or spelling and grammar errors:
    B. MoS compliance for lead, layout, words to watch, fiction, and lists:
  2. Is it factually accurate and verifiable?
    A. Has an appropriate reference section:
    B. Citation to reliable sources where necessary:
    C. No original research:
  3. Is it broad in its coverage?
    A. Major aspects:
    B. Focused:
  4. Is it neutral?
    Fair representation without bias:
  5. Is it stable?
    No edit wars, etc:
  6. Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?
    A. Images are tagged with their copyright status, and valid fair use rationales are provided for non-free content:
    B. Images are provided if possible and are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions:
  7. Overall:
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Initial comments[edit]

  • Not sure if there is a correct way of writing the opening of leads in English villages, but I always start with the basic information, such as "'x' is a village in the 'x' district of Essex, England. Its nearest town is 'x', which lies 'x' miles away". I think this would be a better opening for Jaywick, for example how far is it from Clacton on Sea? What district of Essex is it in?
So that now gives us "Jaywick is a seaside village in the Tendring district of Essex, England, two miles west of Clacton on Sea". Works for me. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 17:41, 1 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • On top of this, what is Jaywick's population?
According to the 2001 census, 4,665. According to the Daily Mail, 3,500. While the Mail could be right that population has declined in the last 14 years, it has a real axe to grind about Jaywick and so I wouldn't use it as a source here. I've gone with 4,665. If I can find the 2011 census figures specifically for Jaywick as opposed to greater Clacton and Tendring ward, I'll use those. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 17:41, 1 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thanks for that, bigger than I thought! ☯ Jaguar ☯ 19:30, 2 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • "on the North Sea coast of England" - just curious, is it really the North Sea? I thought that the North Sea was a little more, north?
Nope, it starts immediately north of Dover. (source) Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 17:53, 1 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Hmm never knew that... the more you know ☯ Jaguar ☯ 19:30, 2 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • The lead does summarise most of the article well, but I think the first paragraph could be expanded a little especially regarding its location?
I've dropped in the distances to London and Colchester, which should hopefully give everybody a reasonable idea of where it is Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 17:41, 1 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • "successfully contesting the seat in a by-election in October" - since it's now 2015, could be worth tweaking to October in that year or October 2014?
I've gone with "the following month" Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 17:41, 1 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • "around 60 miles from London and 17 miles" - would convert this to kilometres per convention using the {{convert}} template
Done, though I can hear the gnashing of Douglas Carswell and Nigel Farage's teeth from here ;-) Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 17:41, 1 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Jaywick had never been a practical place for farming due to the risk from floods and the land sat unused" - remained?
Good catch, changed to remained Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 17:41, 1 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • "In December 2013, due to a severe flood risk" - isn't there an article about the 2013-2014 floods of the UK?
So there is. It's Winter storms of 2013–14 in the United Kingdom and now linked. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 17:41, 1 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Local charity Signpost has helped young people find employment, which has become difficult due to many jobs being a significant distance away in Colchester or Ipswich" - surely Clacton on Sea is a nearby town?
It is nearby, but there is no work there, which is the point the source is trying to make. Colchester and Ipswich are on the A12 and A14 corridors and have good train access, Clacton is at the end of the road. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 17:41, 1 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

References[edit]

  • Ref 20 redirected to another page, but I think that could just be me
Yes, you need a British Newspaper Archive subscription to see that, and I suspect you're seeing the login page. The source should have a "subscription only" tag on it. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 17:41, 1 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • According to the toolserver, the rest of the links appear to be working with the exception of one requiring a subscription, but that wouldn't affect the GA criteria
  • The citations are in the right places, so that meets the GA criteria

On hold[edit]

What a nice place! I definitely need to go here in the summer. I couldn't find anything major with this article as most of it is in decent shape. The only things I found were a few prose issues and some lack of content in the lead section, such as its location, population and other small details which could easily be added. I'll put this on hold for the standard seven days and will watch this page closely. Thanks! ☯ Jaguar ☯ 16:54, 1 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Jaguar: I think I've addressed all the issues. By all means pop down and have a look, the eastern part and the seafront is okay, particularly in the summer (although Mersea Island is just up the road and that's got a wonderful beach). It's the Brooklands and Grasslands estates to the west that are the really depressing bits that get the Daily Mail foaming at the mouth. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 17:49, 1 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Close - promoted[edit]

Thanks for addressing them! This is overall a very well written article and an enjoyable read. It is broad, comprehensive and everything else checks out. I might come here in the Spring/Summer as I usually am in London/East Coast. Already have been to Mersea Island a lot of times, very nice beach! Jaywick reminds me a lot of Southsea for some reason, my closest point to the sea. Anyway promoting ☯ Jaguar ☯ 19:37, 2 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Well I'll be in Mersea tomorrow lunchtime, maybe looking out to the east to see what Jaywick is up to. Need to get some more geography articles up to GA, this cup is taking all my time away! Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 19:54, 2 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Older history?[edit]

The article seems to imply that the area was uninhabited until the modern era. But according to my dictionary of British place names, the earliest form of the name Jaywick was recorded in 1438, meaning there must have been a settlement at that date. Zacwill (talk) 22:05, 14 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

As the article says, "Because of its close proximity to the sea, Jaywick had never been a practical place for farming due to the risk from floods and the land remained unused", and therefore it was pretty much in the middle of nowhere before 1928. I can drop in the 25" map of the area c. 1897 that shows a few houses, but that's pretty much the extent of it. Indeed, that's why Frank Stedman was keen to buy the land, it was considered worthless and cheap. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 10:56, 15 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I think there ought to be some discussion of this then. "Jaywick was historically a very minor settlement, consisting of a farm and a few cottages." - something like that. Zacwill (talk) 13:02, 15 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I dropped in this edit earlier. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 14:08, 15 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Good work. I've added to this the name's etymology. Zacwill (talk) 14:33, 15 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for that, I've just tidied it up a bit so to be consistent with some other GAs I've seen (eg: Ashford, Kent, Mersea Island). I don't believe Jaywick is mentioned in the Domesday Book, unless you know different? Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 14:51, 15 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
They would have said so in the dictionary if it had been. Zacwill (talk) 14:59, 15 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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