Talk:Jeff Immelt/Archives/2017
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Public Service
The article used to contain a sentence expressing concern that Immelt would serve on the Presidential Advisory Council while retaining his paid position at GE. That is the entire idea of the Council which is designed to be composed of " non-governmental experts from business, labor, academia and elsewhere." The removal of this sentence removes an outwardly biased comment that infringes on wikipedia rules. The statement removed was:
- Immelt retained his post at GE while becoming "chairman of the Council on Jobs and Competitiveness, a newly named panel that President Obama created by executive order." 96.224.64.101 (talk) 05:22, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
- The information about the move to China in the Public Service section is misplaced. It appears to have been added there to make a political statement critical of Immelt, and this is outside the rules of Wikipedia. The info has been relocated to the section on Acquisitions and Investments that details the GE foreign investment strategy under Immelt, since it concerns a move to China.96.224.64.101 (talk) 05:21, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
Requested move 20 March 2017
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The result of the move request was: Moved.(non-admin closure) Winged Blades Godric 17:23, 29 March 2017 (UTC)
Jeffrey R. Immelt → Jeff Immelt – WP:COMMONNAME. Immelt is more commonly referred as "Jeff", because a Google search for "Jeff Immelt" returns nearly 370k results. "Jeffrey R. Immelt" only 202k, and "Jeffrey Immelt" 172k.
Furthermore, adding site:www.wsj.com/articles to the above search queries, to restrict searches to The Wall Street Journal articles, finds nearly 850 results for "Jeff Immelt", ~500 for "Jeffrey Immelt", and ~100 for "Jeffrey R. Immelt".
And it's dubious why "First M. Last" is the article title in the first place, since this name does not require disambiguation. Arbor to SJ (talk) 21:44, 20 March 2017 (UTC)
- Support per sound arguments in nom: WP:COMMONNAME. --В²C ☎ 18:14, 21 March 2017 (UTC)
- Oppose. For introductory purposes, Quality sources use "Jeffrey R. Immelt" eg 1eg 2 or refer to a quality source using "Jeffrey R. Immelt" eg 3, refers to eg 1 for introduction. Ghits are an extremely flawed method that should not be used to override usage in quality sources. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 03:35, 22 March 2017 (UTC)
- Support In the worlds of business, investing, and journalism, Immelt is known almost exclusively as "Jeff Immelt." Referring to him as "Jeffrey R. Immelt" is akin to calling the former president "William J. Clinton." For that reason, the title of the Clinton Wiki page is "Bill Clinton." Further, I disagree with SmokeyJoe's contention that the sources he cites are "quality sources." They are more in line with press releases and corporate communications. I'd argue that the real quality source is the Wall Street Journal, which usually refers to Immelt as "Jeff Immelt." Also, Wall Street analysts, in their reports, refer to him almost exclusively as "Jeff Immelt." Ganacka (talk) 19:10, 22 March 2017 (UTC)
- Ganacka, let's talk about "quality sources". Yes, I cited a non-independent source, which is a count against it, but for it, it is cited prominently in other independent sources, for example, http://engineering.dartmouth.edu/news/jeffrey-immelt-thayer-school-investiture-speaker for the purpose of introduction. It is not a case similarly to William J. Clinton because William J. Clinton is not used for formal introductions by either independent or non-independent sources.
You want to talk about the Wall Street Journal? Great, I agree. It is used for exactly one reference, currently number 25. It is behind a paywall, can you see it, can you copy the relevant part? "Usually refers" you say? "Usually" is not what's important, only introductory uses are important, because of course, after introducing Jeffrey R. Immelt, any document is not going repeat that in full but will typically use "Immelt" thereafter. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 00:54, 29 March 2017 (UTC)
- Ganacka, let's talk about "quality sources". Yes, I cited a non-independent source, which is a count against it, but for it, it is cited prominently in other independent sources, for example, http://engineering.dartmouth.edu/news/jeffrey-immelt-thayer-school-investiture-speaker for the purpose of introduction. It is not a case similarly to William J. Clinton because William J. Clinton is not used for formal introductions by either independent or non-independent sources.
- Support Jeff Immelt is the common name. It should be used here. TonyBallioni (talk) 00:05, 29 March 2017 (UTC)
- TonyBallioni, as with my reply to Ganacka, and are you confusing "vernacular" with "repeated uses in the same document" with how the subject is usually introduced in quality, reputable sources, especially the sources currently used as references in the article? --SmokeyJoe (talk) 00:54, 29 March 2017 (UTC)
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