Talk:Jeff Waugh

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Notability: WHY?!?[edit]

For goodness sake: Jeff Waugh was the directory of GNOME Foundation board at one point, plus a zillion other things. Definitely notable. If you have an issue with that, better take it to AFD. Just don't slap an AFD tag on the article. - Ta bu shi da yu 10:14, 21 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure where that "don't" came from. Typo. - Ta bu shi da yu 04:15, 22 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
References would be great but the notability seems pretty clear to me. Thanks for removing the >{{notability}}. —mako (talk•contribs) 13:34, 21 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Notability of quotes?[edit]

I think this is a notable article, but I'm not sure what's notable about saying "Rock'n'Roll" or "Awesome!," especially without "humorous speech" citations, is that section really necessary? Khakionion (talk) 13:14, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Controversy[edit]

I'm thinking about what to do with the section mentioning this blog entry: [1] in its current form (which I won't quote here due to WP:BLP).

Various factors:

  1. Murray Cummings' blog entry did cause a stir in the GNOME community, but a single blog entry or even a single week of discussion doesn't merit "having been often accused". I'm guessing a WP:RS is going to be pretty hard to find for this, it's all going to be blog entries and mailing list posts even if we do find material over a longer period of time.
  2. Finding out whether he has "ardent admirers" as the current version puts it and whether they're inside or outside the community or both is going to be even harder.

My initial feeling is that references to Waugh being a controversial figure in GNOME should be removed unless they're mentioned in the press. I know Waugh though, and might seek WP:3O on this one. I don't know how to get in touch with User:121.44.100.180 though. Thayvian (talk) 23:17, 23 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Well if you google for Jeff Waugh and the P-word at the start of the article you get a few links. Also Jeff responds to the article on his blog here, so maybe we can keep it. But anybody in office will attract criticism. btw notice that Jeff left the Gome board in Dec 2008 according to this. - SimonLyall (talk) 10:57, 24 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I've updated the article with the conclusion of his GNOME Foundation tenure. As regards the criticism: we still need a reliable source to leave it in anything like that form. I've linked to the OSNews article for now, and have removed insufficiently supported critical text: for example that he has "often" been accused of anything (the link was to one blog entry) and the nature of his supporters. Thayvian (talk) 04:35, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think they should be removed entirely. Linus Torvalds is a controversial figure in Linux at times, but his wikipedia doesn't have a long list of public spats - nor does many other pages connected with people in the IT industry. This is inappropriate discussion for a wikipedia page, and harmful to future employment prospects IMO. Glynnfoster (talk) 07:50, 2 June 2009 (PT)

Tanenbaum–Torvalds debate and Samizdat (book) exist. A big different with Jeff is that he has run for elections and held board memberships and other similar positions multiple times. Linus doesn't appear to have ever run for or campaigned for anything. The current wording is also very neutral "strongly criticised" and a link to a news source. I think it's about right and certainly doesn't even mention the specific allegations here or the "D" thing (which I think would not be in line even if it has been publicly acknowledged). - SimonLyall (talk) 20:36, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Massively different in my opinion. That debate was about technical issues rather than personal ones. - Glynnfoster (talk) 12:23, 3 June 2009 (PT)

It's been a couple of years now, and this is the kind of thing that does fade in prominence with time (IMO). Removing the "Criticism" section. Thayvian (talk) 10:59, 23 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Well perhaps he won't abuse me about it next time I see him... Looking at the timeline Jeff doesn't really seem to have done anything publicly for around 2 years (at least nothing anybody has added here or that shows up in a quick google, I assume he has some sort of job). He's probably okay to keep an article about but perhaps it could be more past rather than present orientated. - SimonLyall (talk) 12:16, 23 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Sam Varghese articles[edit]

I think it's rather telling that the links added by User:203.173.41.190, which point to the Sam Varghese articles, were added by Sam Varghese himself. 203.173.41.190 resolves to gnubies.com which is Sam Varghese' personal website. Seems strange that external links that make personal attacks are added by the perpetrator. I have removed the links on account of this. NovellGuy (talk) 21:53, 16 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I've made this a new section since I thought you were referring to the 'Controversy'. The articles are AKAIK in legit media so they don't' require wholesale removal. I've added them back for now. Looking at them I think we should keep the "Open sore on Planet GNOME" (since it covers problems seen above) one and perhaps replace the other two with more general coverage from somebody else. - SimonLyall (talk) 07:46, 17 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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