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A fact from Jews of color appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 7 September 2022 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that a report commissioned by the Jews of Color Initiative described "Jews of color" as "an imperfect, but useful umbrella term"?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2022/September. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Jews of Color.

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Did you know nomination[edit]

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Theleekycauldron (talk) 09:38, 3 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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ALT0 ... that the Jews of Color Initiative described Jews of Color as "an imperfect, but useful umbrella term"? ^[1]

ALT1 ... that according to a 2020 estimate, 12% of American Jews are Jews of Color? ^[2]

ALT2 ... that Jews of Color have been systematically undercounted in decades of population studies of American Jews? ^[3]
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Kai Bumann
- Comment:

Created by Coin945 (talk). Self-nominated at 08:19, 21 August 2022 (UTC).[reply]

Starting this review now. -- RoySmith (talk) 13:04, 31 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: I've renumbered the hooks starting at ALT0 (vice ALT1), as is more traditional.

Article is new enough and long enough. I don't know if it matters, but I think this should be listed under "Articles created/expanded on August 17" because that's when it was moved to mainspace. But either date meets the newness criterion.
Has never been in ITN or DYK before.
The 2nd and 3rd paragraphs in the "Origin of term" section lack citations.
These sections were added by another editor. I've sourced them.--Coin945 (talk) 18:45, 31 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I'm concerned about the citations for ALT1 and ALT2 (see my note above about renumbering the hooks). ALT1 is cited to a source which is probably biased, and thus shouldn't be quoted in wikipedia voice. ALT2 is cited to a press release, which can never be a WP:RS. ALT0 is also cited to a biased source, but at least it's phrased as "they said", so I think it's probably OK. I'm going to strike ALT1 and ALT2, and would appreciate somebody else taking another look at the sourcing for ALT0.
I'm happy to go with ALT0. Jews of Color Initiative is a leading authority on this topic so I think quoting them is reasonable.--Coin945 (talk) 18:45, 31 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
There are ~~two~~ several bare-URL references that need to be turned into proper citations.
Bare links have been cleaned up.--Coin945 (talk) 18:45, 31 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Please look at MOS:QUOTE, both for stylistic (single vs double vs slanted quotes) and for possible overuse of quotations which should be rephrased in the authors own words. The big {{quote box}} at the top seems out of place, and appears to be pushing a particular viewpoint.
Quote box has been removed.--Coin945 (talk) 18:45, 31 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Earwig calls out a number of possible copyvios, but reading them over, I think they're all OK; either proper noun phrases that can't be reasonably reworded, or direct quotes which are properly attributed. But, it wouldn't hurt for somebody to give the earwig report another set of eyes.
I'll have another look at Earwig and try to rephrase some bit. It's difficult because of the nuances in the quotes that can't always be rewritten.--Coin945 (talk) 18:45, 31 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The following are not DYK criteria, but since I've noticed them, I'll list them here as suggested improvements:

Please link the first use of a term in the main text. For example, "Sephardi" is linked the second time it's used.
Should be fixed. This is again due to bits being added by other editors.--Coin945 (talk) 18:45, 31 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
There are a number of very short paragraphs. This makes the text choppy to read. The "JoC Identification" section is particularly bad on this point, but there's other places as well. See if you can rearrange material in such a way that you can reasonably combine multiple short paragraphs into one longer one.
I've combined short paragraphs into longer ones. The short UK subheading created by another editor has been folded into a different section.--Coin945 (talk) 18:45, 31 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Good to go now.

References

Move back to "Jews of color"[edit]

I see this page was moved to the singular, it should be moved back, but now that needs to be requested, so I am seeking talk page consensus first. I think a mistaken analogy was made to "Person of color" which is not an ethnic group and does occur in the singular very often. In general groups of people are referred to in plural, seen in thousands of WP articles here and codified at Wikipedia:Naming conventions (ethnicities and tribes), see also every demographic on the lists of Jews that uses "Jews". Further, this phrase is used as the opening word to this very article, this phrase is also used in the article's own DYK nomination, and almost all of the WLs are going through "Jews of [c/C]olor" redirects so it's what other editors are using too. JesseRafe (talk) 14:42, 29 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

[1] ttps://jewsofcolorinitiative.org/newsletter/navigating-nuance-using-the-term-jews-of-color/

[2] ttps://ejewishphilanthropy.com/how-many-jews-of-color-are-there/

[3] ttps://leichtag.org/press-release-population-of-jews-of-color-is-increasing-in-u-s-despite-undercounting-in-population-studies/

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