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Incorrect information backed by biased sources[edit]
Jiangnan Social University is operated by MSS and a training subsidiary of MSS. It is not a subsidiary of University of International Relations. The sources used for such claim is too biased and the claim is incorrect & arbitrary. EditQ (talk) 11:47, 28 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
You dispute the neutrality of my sources but offer none of your own. I am using all the available information on the topic, there is very little. If you have good sources in English or Chinese regarding the operations of the Ministry of State Security, they would be valuable to many of my edits across this site. - Abovfold (talk) 14:12, 28 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
University of International Relations is a school. It can only have campuses not subsidiaries. Schools with multiple campuses have the same name with location suffix.You guys should stop copying ridiculous claims makde by some creative researchers. Researchers are not reliable sources. They make creative claims to publish. Otherwise, they perish. EditQ (talk) 00:29, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Page 178 of the Historical Dictionary of Chinese Intelligence (2nd ed.), published in 2021, includes this paragraph which says it was intended to be an annex of UIR but is instead now just part of the MSS. That is the most up to date information available, and that's what I'm using on the page. If you have better sources, I'm all ears. Otherwise, sweeping and unsubstantiated claims about researchers all being sensationalists is not constructive. If researchers are not reliable sources, who is? In either case, we follow the guidelines laid out in WP:RS, and your maintenance tag is inappropriate here. - Abovfold (talk) 06:13, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
