Talk:John Fogge

Father of Sir John Fogge

On his father, there are a bunch of sources stating the father is a William Fogge. Here are a few Crofts Peerage; The Main Historical; Fogge Family of America; The Antiquary and see The Lineage and Ancestry of H.R.H. Prince Charles, Prince of Wales, by Gerald Paget, Vol. I, p. 95. -- Lady Meg (talk) 00:44, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

I realise that. We can only say that the matter is disputed, given Horrox's view. Charles Matthews (talk)

Given ONE person's view? -- Lady Meg (talk) 03:07, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

Yes: Horrox is a leading scholar of the period. In detail, there is primary source material in dispute (published in the 19th century). The ODNB article by Horrox cites this material but comes to a different conclusion: in other words in Horrox's judgement as a scholar it doesn't carry weight. WP:PRIMARY makes it clear that we should prefer to go with a reliable secondary source when it comes to this matter. Typically professional historians are better as sources than genealogists, as far as this kind of decision is concerned. Charles Matthews (talk) 08:13, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

Change of allegiance

Since it occurred in 1460-1, it doesn't make sense to attribute it to the second marriage that is presumed to be some time after that. Charles Matthews (talk) 07:19, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Jane Fogge, grandmother of Catherine Parr

I noticed that Jane Fogge was taken out of this article as not being a daughter of John and Alice Haute. There are SEVERAL legitimate sources that state that she was the daughter of John and Alice, but her biographers have stated that she was the granddaughter of Sir John.

So, I don't know if anyone will respond to this, but I'm desperate to find out what Sir John Fogge Jane is a daughter of. I found one source that will let me actually see a preview. It shows the sister of Maud Green being the daughter of Sir Thomas Green and Jane Fogge, daughter of a John Fogge, Knt. I can't see much after that as the book is done with the preview. Jane is clearly the daughter of a John Fogge, but which one I don't know. For the time being, I took down the ancestry on Catherine Parr's page as well because it can't be proven at this time. Could she be the daughter of Sir John's son, John? -- Lady Meg (talk) 23:01, 3 May 2019 (UTC)