Talk:John Murphy (priest)

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I don't know what it says, but I'm going to guess it shouldn't be there. Zenit2k9 00:27, 22 December 2006 (UTC)Zenit2k9[reply]

  • removed the german, if there are any germans willing to translate it feel free, bearing in mind its an english wikipedia not german;

here follows the removed german text (from what i can tell from my bad german it doesnt add much anyway, it seems its just a translation of what already written);


== Franc Murphy vor dem Aufstand ==, das der Einfluß von Französische Revolution in Irland zu die Gründung des Revolutionärs geführt hatte Gesellschaft der vereinigten Iren 1791 und es ist Erfolg, wenn es Unterstützung unter der Bevölkerung verursachten Warnung zu den britischen Behörden gewinnt. Im Dezember 1797, wurden die Ankunft einer französischen Invasionkraft Bantry Bucht-im weiteren besorgniserregenden Dublin Schloß und eine massive conter-revolutionäre Kampagne ausgestoßen. Die Kampagne nahm die Gestalt des Zwangs mit Maßeinheiten der Miliz gegebenen freien Herrschaft an, um durch vermutete Bereiche der Entfremdung zu randalieren, um für Arme und vermutete rebellische orgainsers zu jagen. Um die Services der katholischen Kirche wurden auch ersucht, um heraus gegen die vereinigte irische Bewegung zu sprechen und der katholische Klerus wurden erklärt, um ihre Pfarrkinder zu drängen, einen Treueid zur englischen Krone zu schwören. Die Ankunft vom notorischen Nordkorken-Miliz Grafschaft Wexford innen im Mai 1798 geführt zu weitverbreiteter Furcht und in diesem Atmosphäre Feld John Murphy regte seine parishoners an, ihre Arme oben zu geben, aber die Schutze, die zu denen herausgegeben wurden, die, prüften häufig, die, die Waffen häufig später übergaben, Ziele für den yeomanry Einheimischen so wertloses auch wurden. Wie die Abrüstung Kampagne in eine geöffnete Herrschaft des Terrors dem Ausbruch des Aufstands mit Blutbädern an folgend Dunlavin des Grüns, Carnew degenerierte und Gibbet Rath, wurde Franc Murphy mit den Behördenversprechungen desillusioniert und wird veranschlagen, wie, seine Leute beraten: : , das sie in auffangene mutig sterben sollten, als in ihrem Häuser geschlachtet werden.

http://translate.google.com translated the above text as, "Francesco == == Murphy before the uprising, which led to the influence of the French Revolution in Ireland to the founding of the revolutionary society of the United Irishmen in 1791 and it's success in winning support among the population caused alarm to the British authorities. In December 1797, was the arrival of a French invasion force in Bantry Bay, another worrying Dublin Castle and a massive conter-revolutionary campaign launched. The campaign took the form of coercion by the police units at given free reign to carry suspected areas of alienation rampage in order for arms and suspected rebel orgainsers hunt. To use the services of the Catholic Church were also invited to speak out against the United Irish movement and the Catholic clergy have been told to urge their parishioners to swear an oath of allegiance to the English crown. The arrival of the notorious North Cork militia County Wexford inside out in May 1798 suggested to widespread fear and in this atmosphere Field John Murphy's paris, jog on, give her arms up, but the protections that were issued to those who tested, often those who surrendered weapons often later, goals for the locals so yeomanry were also worthless. As the disarmament campaign in an open reign of terror to the outbreak of the uprising in blood baths of the following Dunlavin of the green, Carnew degenerate and Gibbet Rath became disillusioned Francesco Murphy with the authorities promise and is quoted :: how to advise his people, that they in the field to die bravely, as are killed in their houses." Matthew (talk) 15:07, 19 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

== Franc Murphy vor dem Aufstand ==, das der Einfluß von Französische Revolution in Irland zu die Gründung des Revolutionärs geführt hatte Gesellschaft der vereinigten Iren 1791 und es ist Erfolg, wenn es Unterstützung unter der Bevölkerung verursachten Warnung zu den britischen Behörden gewinnt. Im Dezember 1797, wurden die Ankunft einer französischen Invasionkraft Bantry Bucht-im weiteren besorgniserregenden Dublin Schloß und eine massive conter-revolutionäre Kampagne ausgestoßen. Die Kampagne nahm die Gestalt des Zwangs mit Maßeinheiten der Miliz gegebenen freien Herrschaft an, um durch vermutete Bereiche der Entfremdung zu randalieren, um für Arme und vermutete rebellische orgainsers zu jagen. Um die Services der katholischen Kirche wurden auch ersucht, um heraus gegen die vereinigte irische Bewegung zu sprechen und der katholische Klerus wurden erklärt, um ihre Pfarrkinder zu drängen, einen Treueid zur englischen Krone zu schwören. Die Ankunft vom notorischen Nordkorken-Miliz Grafschaft Wexford innen im Mai 1798 geführt zu weitverbreiteter Furcht und in diesem Atmosphäre Feld John Murphy regte seine parishoners an, ihre Arme oben zu geben, aber die Schutze, die zu denen herausgegeben wurden, die, prüften häufig, die, die Waffen häufig später übergaben, Ziele für den yeomanry Einheimischen so wertloses auch wurden. Wie die Abrüstung Kampagne in eine geöffnete Herrschaft des Terrors dem Ausbruch des Aufstands mit Blutbädern an folgend Dunlavin des Grüns, Carnew degenerierte und Gibbet Rath, wurde Franc Murphy mit den Behördenversprechungen desillusioniert und wird veranschlagen, wie, seine Leute beraten: : , das sie in auffangene mutig sterben sollten, als in ihrem Häuser geschlachtet werden. --Fredbobhurst 19:30, 22 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Then http://translate.google.com translated the second text above as, "Francesco == == Murphy before the uprising, which led to the influence of the French Revolution in Ireland to the founding of the revolutionary Society of United Irishmen in 1791 and it is successful if it caused support among the population Warning to the British authorities to win. In December 1797, was the arrival of a French invasion force in Bantry Bay, another worrying Dublin Castle and a massive conter-revolutionary campaign launched. The campaign took the form of coercion by the police units at given free reign to carry suspected areas of alienation rampage in order for arms and suspected rebel orgainsers hunt. To use the services of the Catholic Church were also invited to speak out against the United Irish movement and the Catholic clergy have been told to urge their parishioners to swear an oath of allegiance to the English crown. The arrival of the notorious North Cork militia County Wexford inside in May 1798 led to widespread fear and encouraged in this atmosphere Field John Murphy's paris, jog on, give her arms up, but the defense, to which were published that examined frequently, who handed over the weapons often later, goals for the locals so yeomanry were also worthless. As the disarmament campaign in an open reign of terror to the outbreak of the uprising in blood baths of the following Dunlavin the greens Carnew degenerated, and Gibbet Rath , was Francesco Murphy disillusioned with the promises and authorities is quoted as advising his people :: that she should die bravely in the field, than be slaughtered in their houses."Matthew (talk) 15:07, 19 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Place of death[edit]

I think I recall from school that Fr Murphy was tortured and hung in Edenderry Co Offaly. Can anyone confirm? Rugbymadnut 00:27, 22 July 2009 (UTC)Rugbymadnut —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.33.214.51 (talk) [reply]

This was Fr Kearns and Col Perry, ignore me. Rugbymadnut 00:27, 23 July 2009 (UTC)Rugbymadnut —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.33.214.51 (talk) [reply]

Name[edit]

Shouldn't this article be moved to John Murphy (priest)? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 21:48, 12 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It should be, and I'm going to do it now. — AJDS talk 03:03, 2 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Refuge & Betrayal[edit]

My father, Lionel Fowler, "[a]fter spending at least two years reading and researching the aftermath of the original Battle of Vinegar Hill in Co. Wexford", wrote a pers comm Email to me today which made mention of "excommunicated" Mr aka Father John Murphy, "being given refuge on a Protestant farmer's farm and his betrayal by a member of the Roman Catholic Church for the reward". I don't as yet have any other reference sources. The revelation all goes to show me just how devious politicised theology, institutionalised religion since Pope Alexander II in "1066, ... entertained an embassy from [the illegitimate Duke of Normandy Guillaume II, Guillaume le Bâtard, subsequently,] William the Conqueror which had been sent to obtain his blessing for the Norman conquest of England. This he gave to them, gifting to them a papal ring, the Standard of St. Peter,[4] and a papal edict to present to the English clergy saying that William was given the papal blessing for his bid to the throne. These favours were instrumental in the submission of the English church and people following the Battle of Hastings."Matthew (talk) 15:31, 19 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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