Talk:John Shirley

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Better lead[edit]

Recommendation: Per WP:LEAD, this article would be stronger if it summarized the information in the article, in the lead paragraph(s). For example, list the works that he is best known for, and the most prestigious award. I also recommend that some of the major claims in the article have citations right next to them, which would make it easier for other editors to verify the information. See WP:V --El on ka 16:20, 8 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

A lot of this reads more like a fan's guide rather than a neutral description. In particular, passages which compare Shirley to other writers often seem to exist mostly to put down the other writers. Much cleanup needed. 2fs 18:31, 22 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'am not sure, but afaik and judging by his photo Shirley is obviously NOT African-american. Mateusz szary skoczylas (talk) 12:57, 28 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Church of the SubGenius Membership?[edit]

Recently. User:Pburka removed the following pages from Category:American SubGenii.

John Shirley [1] (Mentioned here and here)

Penn Jillette [2] (Mentioned here and here and here)

Rudy Rucker [3] (Mentioned here, here, here and here)

Nancy A. Collins [4] (Mentioned here, here and here)

Bruce Campbell [5] (Mentioned here and here)

Del Close [6] (Mentioned here)

Paul Reubens AKA Pee Wee Herman [7] (Mentioned here and here)

Lon Milo DuQuette [8](Mentioned here)

These removals were perfectly reasonable, because the articles do not mention membership in the COSG, nor are most of the links I list above reliable sources. Because of this, I am putting out a call for citations to reliable sources that establish Church of the SubGenius membership for these and other celebrities. I suspect that a fair count will put the number considerably higher than the number of celebrity Scientologists. --Guy Macon (talk) 00:49, 31 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The two parts of WP:BLPCAT that seem most relevant are "the case for each category must be made clear by the article text and its reliable sources" -- meaning we need to add something about Church of the SubGenius Membership in the text and we need a citation supporting it, and "Categories regarding religious beliefs ... should not be used unless the subject has publicly self-identified with the belief" -- meaning that we need a citation where John Shirley himself says he is a member or strong supporter. As I said before, I think that Pburka removing the category was entirely correct; I just want to improve the article in such a way that the category can be re-added. So, does anyone know of such a citation? --Guy Macon (talk) 04:29, 1 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Career[edit]

This section of the article on John Shirley contains unreferenced original research, such as the claim that one of Shirley's books "probably influenced" William Gibson's Neuromancer. Really? According to whom? I'm not saying Shirley didn't influence Gibson, but did Gibson ever state this? Did a literary critic claim it? I'm concerned about mixing personal views into an encyclopedic article that should be based on fact. Hifrommike65 (talk) 15:12, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bibliography[edit]

I have commenced a tidy-up of the Bibliography section:

Cite templates will be used where possible.
Tables may be used to organise short stories, poems and/or book reviews.
I prefer capitalization and punctuation to follow the standard cataloguing rules in AACR2 and RDA, rather than "title case".
Links (either direct or indirect) to potentially unreliable or incomplete digitised copies and to booksellers may be removed.

This is a work in progress; feel free to continue. Sunwin1960 (talk) 01:34, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]