Talk:John Tayloe III

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Did you know... that the Tayloe family of Richmond County, Virginia, including John Tayloe I, his son, John Tayloe II, and grandson, John Tayloe III, exemplified gentry entrepreneurship?

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Slaves and inappropriate sources[edit]

JasonJason5555 has made some changes to the article to emphasize Tayloe's slave-holding. I'm going to revert most of them, for the following reasons:

Section title: Beyond the capitalization issue, slave-holding is only one psrt of Tayloe's career among many, and not the one most prominently highlighted by reliable sources reporting on his career. Thus focusing on slave-holding doesn't seem to be in line with WP:NPOV.
Changing "slaves" to "enslaved people": Needlessly wordy. It's well-understood that slaves are people. We wouldn't call servants "serving people" or prisoners "imprisoned people".
John Tayloe III, enslaved “more than 700 by the 1820s,” according to William Kauffman Scarborough’s Masters of the Big House: Elite Slaveholders of the Mid-Nineteenth-Century South. - the sentence cites Masters of the Big House, but it's actually based on the Daily Beast. I have tried to find the relevant location within the book, but searching for the quote fails. Other search terms, including "John Tayloe", "1820s" or "700", didn't give any useful results. It appears that the book does not actually say what the Daily Beast claims it says. Unless someone can confirm (with page number) that the book indeed contains this information, we should not reproduce an apparently incorrect quote. Beyond the lack of a proper citation, the wording is inaccurate: Tayloe may have owned 700 slaves, but "to enslave" means "To make subservient; to strip one of freedom; enthrall", and that's not what Tayloe did. He was a slave-holder, not a slaver, and his slaves were either born into slavery (and thus never enjoyed any freedom at all) or they were bought by him while already slaves. Huon (talk) 23:01, 14 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Relatives[edit]

The article gives a list of relatives of Tayloe. According to that list, "uncles on his farher’s side include Francis Lightfoot Lee, Edward Lloyd IV, Mann Page and Lawrence Washington". Paternal uncles are either his father's brothers (who would all be named Tayloe) or his father's sisters' husbands. The list is unsourced and seems erroneous: According to the not-quite-reliable source given in the John Tayloe I article, most of those people are not his uncles but cousins, married to his own sisters, not his father's. Lawrence Washington does not seem related to the Tayloes in any way. I'll remove the list of "uncles". Huon (talk) 23:37, 14 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]