Talk:Johns Hopkins Hospital

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Johns[edit]

Johns Hopkins Medicine needs its own article - or, at least, a redirect here. I can't write it anymore, as a chronically unregistered user, so somebody else should get on that. (JHM, incidentally, is the relatively new organization encompassing the hospital, the School of Medicine, and various other smaller entities like Johns Hopkins International.) 195.33.207.23 14:36, 23 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Also, this article is itself rather pathetic, don't you think? Not even a pretty picture of the Dome? Hopkins is described in the first paragraph as one of the world's most important hospital, so where's the proverbial beef? 195.33.207.23 14:37, 23 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I've added a picture of the Dome. Antelan 06:50, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

References[edit]

Where are all the references for this article? I can only find the one in the first paragraph. Considering all the quotes and facts here, there should be considerably more, don't you think? ScreaminEagle 20:41, 18 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I added references for two of the claims. We're going to need a lot more to make this a legitimate article, though. I'll contribute when possible. --Antelan 06:47, 11 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

One of the claims in the first paragraph has a reference (number 2) that does not mention the claim. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.74.36.200 (talk) 12:32, 22 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hospital versus School of Medicine[edit]

I agree that the article as is conflates the history of the hospital with that of the school of medicine. I think of "Johns Hopkins Medicine" as more a "brand' for marketing rather than an institution. There are still two entities: the University School of Medicine and the Hospital which have their own CEO equivalents, the Dean of the School of Medicine and the President of the Hospital, even the ID badges differ depending whether one is an employee of the Hospital or the University. I suggest not having a "Johns Hopkins Medicine" entry, except perhaps as a re-direct to entries for the hospital and school of medicine. Fmondimore 01:52, 14 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that no article should exist for "Johns Hopkins Medicine." Instead, there should be an article for the following:

• Johns Hopkins Medical Institutions (probably a stub)

• Johns Hopkins Hospital

• Johns Hopkins School of Medicine

--Antelan 19:29, 17 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

While the Hospital and Medical School are separate entities, there is and has always been a clear connection between the two and should be one as well in this article. I suggest having a section providing information on the inception of the two and their original connections, and how the connection has changed over time to what it is today. Proper, non-biased, sources would be needed to simply explain the history of the two to give the readers a clearer understanding of both the Hospital and the University School of Medicine. Zgoldst3 (talk) 15:49, 19 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

JHM is one entity with its own governance structure, comprising elements of JHU SOM and JHH (plus additional key components), with some coverage here. — soupvector (talk) 20:19, 19 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Clean-Up[edit]

This page needs to be cleaned up. The text is choppy and parts of it don't flow well. The paragraphs are too small - often one sentence long. I'll work on this when I get a chance, and other interested people should feel free to do so. --Antelan 23:00, 8 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This article kind of reads like a fundraising solicitation or brag rag for JHH. Fuzbaby (talk) 05:24, 21 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

First Women Head of Surgery[edit]

I heard they now have the first women head of surgery at a major hospital. Should this be put in? 67.162.76.82 05:16, 5 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It's noteworthy if true. She's definitely the first chief of surgery at Hopkins, but I don't know if she is the first at any major hospital. If someone has sources, let's put that in the article, since it would definitely be noteworthy. Ante lan ^talk 01:10, 22 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Towards/Toward edit[edit]

An anonymous editor changed "towards" to "toward", and I wanted to post here for posterity that both are equivalent, although their prevalence is different in different countries (toward is more common in the US). I'm not going to revert the change, but I wanted to note it. --Ante lan ^talk 20:06, 30 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Copyvio issues[edit]

I had to remove substantial portions of this article, as they were copied verbatim from the Hopkins Medicine website, in violation of Wikipedia's copyright policy. I've also added an "expand" tag to the top of the article, as I feel that the article should contain more information than just history and ranking. --Hnsampat (talk) 15:22, 25 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

agreed. info is needed on the usual hospital statistics: number of inpatient beds, number of operating suites,major diagnostic imaging equipment,numbers of outpatients seen per unit time, e.r. stats, etc.,etc.,etc.

Pediatrics edit[edit]

Only a small issue, but this article claims the hospital is the birthplace of pediatrics, while the pediatrics article itself makes no mention of John Hopkins in its 'history of pediatrics' section. One of the articles needs cleaning up, but I'm afraid I don't have the knowledge to do it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.144.67.116 (talk) 10:01, 6 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Not the birthplace of pediatrics--what were all those children's hospitals doing in Boston, Phila., Berlin and elsewhere before JHH was even founded? Nor urology (just how old is bladder-stone surgery?), nor endocrinology (diabetes has been studied seriously for centuries). Not cardiac surgery either. Neurosurgery, perhaps. Let's get some references that actually say what they're supposed to (the 2 for pediatrics are ads for the children's hospital and don't say anything about "birthplace of pediatrics") and then start making claims.RogerLustig (talk) 02:53, 1 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

History of Child Sex Reassignment[edit]

This section needs to be referenced before it can be readded

In 1965, Johns Hopkins became the first hospital in the nation to formally establish a sex change program for newborn (mostly male) babys born with "genital abnormalitys" much to public shock. The procedure for males included cutting off the testicles and penis and constructing an artificial vagina sometimes complemented by estrogen injections with recommendations to treat the child as a female. The hospital was seen as one of the big driving forces behind the procedure at the time. The hospital also created a lab in which theories about nature vs nurture and body vs mind clashed in fascinating and ferocious ways. Johns Hopkins Hospital ceased this practice for the most part, along with many others, after the sex reassignment patients as adults began to strongly and publicly oppose the sex change done to them as infants, with most reverting to their original genders in later life. Also cited were radically higher suicide rates, severe psychological damage and identity crisis in adulthood lack of solid facts and general public uproar and controversy caused by the practice. The most noteworthy and separate case of David Reimer (who later committed suicide and wrote a book on being manufactured into a female titled "As Nature Made Him The Boy Who Was Raised as a Girl") was a big driving force behind the radical decline of the gender reassignment of newborns in the US and Canada.

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Union Representation[edit]

The article does not discuss whether employees at John Hopkins are represented. I did a search and found these articles about one union. Would it be acceptable if I start discussing this using these sources from 2104:

http://www.wbaltv.com/news/johns-hopkins-hospital-union-reach-tentative-contract-deal/26840290

http://www.bizjournals.com/baltimore/news/2014/06/19/johns-hopkins-wages-compare-poorly-to-other-top-u.html

http://www.bizjournals.com/baltimore/news/2014/06/18/johns-hopkins-workers-to-strike-june-27-unless.html

I am also interested in other citations that people could find. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JeremiahJohnson (talk • contribs) 03:15, 16 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

pneumoconiosis B-reader program controversy.[edit]

Johns Hopkins suspended its pneumoconiosis B-reader program on November 1, 2013, after a series of stories by The Center for Public Integrity (in cooperation with ABC News) revealed that Dr. Paul Wheeler, head of the Hopkins unit that interprets X-rays in black lung cases, didn't find a single case of severe black lung among the more than 1500 cases in which he offered an opinion (source). More criticism of Wheeler's work can be found here.
On June 2, 2014, the Office of Workers' Compensation Programs (OWCP) issued BLBA Bulletin 14-09, "Weighing Chest X-ray Evidence that Includes a Negative Reading by Dr. Paul Wheeler," that instructed Division of Coal Mine Workers' Compensation (DCMWC) district offices not to credit negative chest x-ray readings for pneumoconiosis performed by Dr. Paul S. Wheeler of Johns Hopkins University Hospital in the absence of persuasive evidence rehabilitating his negative readings (source).
Johns Hopkins Medicine later announced the termination of the program (source).
Seems relevant for an article that uses words like "widely regarded as one of the world's greatest hospitals" in the lead. Prevalence 01:16, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Ear Nose and Throat[edit]

This is currently in three separate links to ear, nose, and throat, whereas the reader assumes that this should relate to the surgical sub-speciality of Ear, Nose and Throat or Otolaryngology. I feel this should be fixed to redirect to ENT/Otolaryngology rather than the three different body parts.

60.240.189.104 (talk) 05:26, 27 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I came to this talk page to suggest the exact same thing, so I think that I'll just go ahead and change it.

Emerald (talk) 02:24, 21 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Acknowledge Mary Elizabeth Garrett's role in opening/influencing the hospital and medical school[edit]

Mary Elizabeth Garrett provided essential support for opening JHH and the SOM, and her stipulations regarding graduate medical education and inclusion of women. These contributions should be prominently displayed, IMHO. — soupvector (talk) 00:05, 16 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Dubious change in category[edit]

I don't understand the basis for this category change by Ser Amantio di Nicolao. While there is a page called Johns Hopkins School of Medicine, this is a misnomer as illustrated in the first sentence of that lede, which spells out the proper name as "Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine" (the "School of Medicine" is a division of Johns Hopkins University). In addition, this is not a synonym for Johns Hopkins Medical Institutions, comprises the School of Medicine, the School of Nursing, and the School of Public Health. — soupvector (talk) 18:36, 14 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry about that - a misunderstanding on my end. I've reverted the changes. --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 18:42, 14 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Infobox hospital[edit]

I took out the links on State and Country fields in the infobox, so that the link to List of hospitals in Maryland shows up. I also changed the Emergency to just "I", which brings up the link. G. Moore Talk to G Moore 16:39, 9 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]