Talk:Joost van den Vondel

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"Catholicism and Arminianism weren’t allowed anymore (the cities however made very little notice of this). "

I removed the parts between (). Both Catholicism and Arminianism were actively persecuted at that time. In the best cases cities earned fortunes by blackmailing catholics. Fnorp 14:13, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Added a translation for the excerpt of Vondel's Lucifer. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.192.212.99 (talk) 20:13, 17 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The subscript of the illustration is incorrect: there's an -n short (van deN). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.192.192.115 (talk) 17:30, 15 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Similarities Vondel & Milton[edit]

I just deleted the statement which said the similarity between Vondel and Milton could be explained away by the source material and that it was questionable how good Milton's Dutch was. It was unreferenced and directly contradicts the statement above, which is referenced (more specifically in Milton and Vondel : a curiosity of literature on p. 13ff. and pp. 190-192.). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Caedus (talk • contribs) 04:01, 30 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Appearance on Dutch 5 guilder note[edit]

After consolidating comments from the biography into the "commemoration" section, I see there are 2 lines about Vondel's appearance on the Dutch 5 guilder note, giving different dates. Can anyone substantiate the correct dates with a reference? Thanks. Guacmol (talk) 15:28, 25 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Just the lede[edit]

You cannot be an "admirer, emulator, and translator of both the theatre of ancient Greece and that of ancient Rome" and be a author of Christian poetry and verse dramas. The fact that Gijsbrecht van Aemstel was "banned" is simply not true. There were objections, but no church was in a position to ban anything. @K1ngstowngalway1: seems to rely on a single source. Please discuss before readding a large text you know does not have consensus. Kleuske (talk) 14:14, 9 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Well, my source consists of scholarly essays about him by multiple Vondel scholars. Gijsbrecht was intended to appear upon Christmas Day, but was delayed until New Years Day so that the "offending passages" were removed. Also, my sources state that he both translated Pre-Christian Greco-Roman drama and adapted it's style and structure to Christian themes. There is no contradiction in doing things that way. A lot of Christian writers have since the Renaissance. K1ngstowngalway1 (talk) 14:25, 9 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Also, I notice that you have also removed edits of mine that cited other sources, including the memoirs of John Milton scholar and Vondel translator Watson Kirkconnell, as well as the 1911 Catholic encyclopedia. I urge you to be cautious as well, because I do have a long history of using only reputable sources for my edits, particularly when they involve potential controversy. K1ngstowngalway1 (talk) 14:38, 9 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

A few notes on my changes[edit]

I've made some changes to the article. Here a few notes to make a few things clear. I've tried to incorporate as much of the original text in the current article, sometimes with the original phrasing, sometimes with my own phrasing. Unfortunately some of the text of the last version was either badly sourced, or was not very relevant. With regard to the comparison of Vondel and John Milton, it can be said that in the previous version this comparison was almost half of the article (with superfluous poetic comparisons and all), which made it slightly absurd; especially considering the fact that scholars today don't consider Paradise Lost as being influenced by Lucifer. I will try to remove spelling mistakes and/or grammatical errors tomorrow. 213.124.169.240 (talk) 02:00, 5 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]