Talk:Jozo Tomasevich/Archive 1

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Archive 1

Possible source

A google search for his first book found [1], which appears to be a (copy of a) preface for a translation of his book on Cetnicks. If Google is translating it right, his Ph.D was in economics, and his first book was actually his thesis, which was published as book in Zagreb. That the publisher, despite its name was in Zagreb is corroborated from [2]. I prose adding these facts (1) PhD was in economics, (2) thesis title + where it was published as a book and when. Seem uncontroversial, except I don't read Croatian, so someone should check the source first. Tijfo098 (talk) 00:24, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

I am sure you are right that his PhD. was in economics. He wrote an awful lot about economics, and was Professor of Economics Emeritus at San Francisco State University. Peacemaker67 (talk) 01:25, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

Undergrad

No way he studied at Harvard before his PhD as this article implies. According to that Croatian preface before going to Basel he graduated from the "Trade Academy" or "Commercial college" in Sarajevo ("završio je Trgovačku akademiju u Sarajevu"). Tijfo098 (talk) 00:31, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

That's a secondary school, not a college. Additionally, he certainly appears to have worked at Stanford U at some point. Why else would Stanford refer to him as "Stanford's professor Jozo Tomasevich". -- Director (talk) 13:26, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

(1) He worked at their Food Research Institute (presumably as a research economist) and (2) where does Standford refer to him as in that quote? A google search for that phrase found only [3], which is not a Stanford source. Tijfo098 (talk) 14:12, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

From that I surmise you didn't read my response at WP:AE, where I explain how there are indications jt worked for SU, and that the Cohen quote is completely out of context and probably actually correct in its appropriate period (like the statement "Mussolini was a socialist", eg). Sorry I didn't copy the link over here, it's kind of difficult on a phone. I might have gotten something wrong, it's also kind of difficult to do research "on the go", but I'm reasonably certain there is something to this (tbh I can't remember) -- Director (talk) 15:03, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

From a summary of the obituary written by Vucinich it said he "trained at Harvard University" (I didn't have access to the full thing at the time) which is apparently supported by the statement: "availing himself of the rich resources of Harvard University." Steve Charnovitz attributes "a professor at Stanford University" to Tomasevich in one of his works. [4] Just to set the record straight here, as I did at AE, the quote that Tijfo098 mocked and even advocated topic-banning Peacemaker over is actually from Ivo Goldstein and a part of a work from the Jewish Studies at the Central European University. :) --◅ PRODUCER (TALK) 16:37, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

"As a recipient of a Rockefeller fellowship, he came to the United States in 1938, availing himself of the rich resources of Harvard University" Which can mean anything from using their library to auditing classes to collaborating with Harvard researchers. The author who wrote the obit has also made some factual errors like the publication date of one of Tomasevich's book (off by 6 years). Apparently he didn't know Tomasevich's activity very well, which probably explains the relatively high number of vague statements. Tijfo098 (talk) 00:24, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

You have my thanks (and probably those of our readers as well) for clarifying the issue with the unpublished volume. Tijfo098 (talk) 00:24, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

Charnovitz is citing "5. Jozo Tomasevich, INTERNATIONAL AGREEMENTS ON CONSERVATION OF MARINE RESOURCES 42 (1943)." for the "a professor at Stanford University"; this was published by the Food Research Institute (of Stanford University) while Tomasevich worked there. We don't yet know what Tomasevich's job title was at the Food Research Institute and/or if he taught any classes at Stanford. Vucinich does say that Tomasevich taught for one year at Columbia in 1954; I think it was probably as visiting professor, possibly on his sabbatical. But Vucinich says nothing about Tomasevich's either teaching at Stanford or being a professor there, only that "he was a member of the scholarly staff of the Food Research Institute at Stanford University". Tijfo098 (talk) 00:43, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

The copyright page of the 1943 FRI report [5] lists Tomasevich as "Assistant Economist" with the footnote "Acting", which suggests a non-tenure-track position, but I don't know much about FRI. (It also lists an "Assistant Statistician" who was not listed as "acting".) FRI's history on the web is spotty [6]. Tijfo098 (talk) 01:17, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

Not that it matters much, but I think an apology (or at least an admission of error) may be in order. You mocked other users' work, and baselessly called for serious sanctions against hard-working contributors - all apparently without even a superficial understanding or investigation of the matter. -- Director (talk) 18:30, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

This talk page is for improvements to this article. Don't use it for your EE/AE battleground and unrelated topics. Tijfo098 (talk) 00:18, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

Perhaps you should first not use AE as a battleground and posting board for personal attacks completely unrelated to the subject? Your condescending remarks were directed at improvements to this article, however, so I consider my reply in this venue far more appropriate than your cluttering community noticeboards with both baseless and completely irrelevant criticism. But never mind; I take your point on the futility of this line of discussion. Please bear in mind noone likes to have their contributions falsely ridiculed in a public forum. -- Director (talk) 08:31, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

Hear, hear. Peacemaker67 (talk) 09:17, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

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Third volume

Just wondering : does anyone know if there are plans to release his "75% complete" study about the Partisans ? Since "Occupation and collaboration" was completed - or at least edited - by his daughter, I thought that it might be possible to edit and publish in some form the information he gathered about the Partisans. Jean-Jacques Georges (talk) 08:31, 1 June 2016 (UTC)