Talk:Judge Dredd/Archive 2

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Recent events section

With regard to this reversion and the following section:

Over the years Judge Dredd has been hailed as one of the best pieces of satire in science fiction, with an uncanny trend to predict upcoming events such as rampant mass surveillance, rise of populist leaders, and the COVID-19 pandemic.

I kind of agree with the removal - Dredd's been going on for 40 years, and during that time there are bound to be comparisons to cultural events. This is a bit like the claims that The Simpsons is predicting the future. Some of the claims are dubious - "mass surveillance" is a very broad term, and the PSU didn't rise to significance until long after CCTV was already prevalent in society (spy-in-the-sky cams notwithstanding). Dredd hasn't foreshadowed Covid at all - Covid is a pandemic, and that's about the only thing that hasn't happened in the Dredd universe so far. There have been contagions (Monkey Business at Charles Darwin, Block Mania, Inferno, Day of Chaos, etc,) but these are all restricted to MC1, or even individual city blocks.

Also, the reference makes no mention of the "rise of populist leaders", and makes a single passing comment about it being "an action adventure strip with satirical subtext" - there is nothing to support the claim that Dredd has been "hailed as one of the best pieces of satire in science fiction", a single source does not make it so. Chaheel Riens (talk) 12:33, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

Fair points; I've taken it out. Richard75 (talk) 13:39, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

Should the Settings section be moved to the character article?

This article is about the franchise, and there's another article about the character. This article goes into a lot of detail about the fictional world, and I suggest it would be a better fit in the other article. I want to move it there, but to avoid edit wars I will wait for a bit and see if anyone objects. Richard75 (talk) 14:20, 2 February 2021 (UTC)

Seems pretty non-controversial to me that detailed in-universe plot information should be on the article about the character. I'd expect an article about the franchise to literally be about the franchise - publication history, creators, effect on culture, etc. All the real world bits, basically. H. Carver (talk) 17:55, 2 February 2021 (UTC)

One page about the actual comics publication and another on the fictional world and characters makes good sense, but may alter the name of the Judge Dredd (character) page to indicate it about the fictional Dredd world as a whole?143.159.78.102 (talk) 10:03, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

Split?

Huh, what do you know... it appears this article - Judge Dredd - and Judge Dredd (character) were split, unilaterally, in December 2019, with this edit. I only noticed when the short description was changed just now. I wonder why? I mean, if Captain America, Batman and Superman can all have one main article about the character and the "franchise" (whatever that means), then Joe can get by with one article, too. Having looked at the "character" article, we wouldn't be losing anything by re-merging. Would there be any objections to a merge, or should I open a formal proposal. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 15:14, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

I never understood why that was done, and would support merging them. Richard75 (talk) 15:37, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

Now that the image has been deleted from this article, because for non-free use reasons it can only be used on one article, and it's being used on the Character article, there's all the more reason to merge them again. Richard75 (talk) 09:37, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Agreed. I'll look into the mechanics of this and proceed at the weekend, unless there are objections or someone beats me to it. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 09:41, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

I've just done it. (I wonder if the Parodies section is just trivia though?) Richard75 (talk) 10:12, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Parodies of a parody? Most of the entries look very trivial. GraemeLeggett (talk) 11:12, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Good job on the merge. And yes, I'd remove most of the "parodies" - "We put a funny name after the word 'Judge' in this one edition, and that's funny!" is mostly just trivial and certainly isn't notable. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 11:50, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Dredd age

Dredds age needs a citation. Dredd is obviously drawn as a teenager in the firsr 100 progs.. he graduates from the Academy at 15, and is still a kid when the story starts.. 65, or so, should be Dredd's current age 2600:100F:B053:682A:59F9:421D:B8B4:A938 (talk) 08:03, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

You're mistaken. Dredd is already a senior judge in the first stories. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 08:58, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

This is covered by the first paragraph of the "Fictional character biography" section, which has sources. Richard75 (talk) 09:35, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Stories section

I can't help but feel as if the merging of several of the more notable Dredd stories was unnecessary. Apocalypse War and America for example have both been written about quite extensively:

• Articles about Apocalypse War: Essential Judge Dredd – The Apocalypse War’ Is Still One Of The Best Of The Epic Dredd Tales, 'The Apocalypse War' Remains the Definitive Judge Dredd Mega Epic
• Articles about America: America Is Even More Relevant 30 Years Later, America is the Essential Judge Dredd Story, America is Receiving The Best Judge Dredd Story Ever Made, Judge Dredd: America as a Critique of Unethical Police Practises, Lost Judge Dredd Scripts to Be Collected in America: Lost & Found, Judge Dredd America, The Complete America, Rebellion Announces America: Lost & Found – The Rediscovered Scripts

If these are not notable enough for separate articles, perhaps theirs a better way to organize them because the list of stories currently is a bit unwieldly.--Amelia-the-comic-geek (talk) 02:40, 17 December 2022 (UTC)

Age

I'm confused about the character's age.

The article states "The first Dredd story, published in 1977, was set in 2099, 122 years in the future, and so stories published in 2023 are set 122 years in the future, in 2145 ... Therefore, Dredd was 38 when he first appeared, but is now 84 years old ... How Dredd's aging would be addressed was a source of reader speculation until 2016, when writer Michael Carroll and artist Ben Willsher published the story "Carousel", in which Dredd is ordered to undertake rejuvenation treatment."

However, the article later summarises the story "The Carousel" thus: "In the year 2138, Joe Dredd - now 72 years old - is ordered to undergo another "rejuve treatment" at the Carousel Clinic (the first rejuve treatment happened soon after "Necropolis" due to his injuries in "The Dead Man", in the years 2112 when he was 46)".

Wouldn't he be 77 in 2138, not 72? Year of publication 2016 - first appearance 1977 = 39 years, + age on debut 38 = 77. Similarly, the age for the first rejuve treatment should be 51, not 46 (Year in the story 2112 - year of debut 2099 = 13, + age on debut 38 = 51).

Am I wrong somewhere? --37.157.52.71 (talk) 13:29, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

I believe I got this wrong a while back as well: Dredd is a clone, and his first 5 years were either accelerated or negligible as he grew in the tube, or whatever Morton Judd used to incubate him. Chaheel Riens (talk) 14:44, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

That's right, but we should still make the article consistent instead of confusing the readers. Richard75 (talk) 23:39, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

So you're saying he was biologically 5 when he chronolgically 'born'? --37.157.52.71 (talk) 09:41, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

Yes. Richard75 (talk) 10:42, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

In that case we can just edit the first paragraph to read something like "Dredd was 32 when he first appeared, but is now 79 (though biologically five years older due to being a clone with an artificially-accelerated gestation)." --37.157.52.71 (talk) 14:06, 3 February 2023 (UTC)