Talk:Judith Merril

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Sources[edit]

A better-quality source than Judith Merril / "The Little Mother of Science Fiction" (on which i relied) would be valuable: its compiler isn't sure abt, for instance, the spelling of her mother's given name, or when her father suicided.
--Jerzy•t 02:45, 6 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The article is quite weak on Judith's 30 years in Toronto, Canada. A good source would be Emily Pohl-Weary's biography, compiled in part from Judy's notes. Emily is Judy's granddaughter, btw, via Fred Pohl and his daughter Ann Pohl. Bellagio99 18:04, 7 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The folks at the Merril Collection, part of Toronto's public library system, would probably have more sources than you could shake a Gaffi stick at. (But don't, 'cause that's rude.) AndroidCat 03:05, 6 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted Reg Hartt as a Friend[edit]

To be sure, Reg Hartt was a good friend of Judith Merril. But it doesn't seem appropriate to single him out in a special paragraph when there were at least 100 other good friends of Judith that were not mentioned. Perhaps someone could compile a list of the Friends of Judith Merril: Friendster meets Merril;-) Bellagio99 01:40, 6 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

lengthy?[edit]

shouldn't the first section be cut off after the first paragraph and have the rest of it under the title of biography or history or life or something? --66.134.52.222 04:57, 17 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Good idea. I just made the edit.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Bellagio99 (talk • contribs) 17:15, 17 July 2007‎ (UTC)[reply]

Pseudonyms[edit]

Regarding pseudonyms: In addition to Cyril Judd, Merril also published under Rose Sharon. See the introduction to this bibliography of Merril. http://libraryasp.tamu.edu/cushing/collectn/lit/science/sci-fi/JUDITH%20MERRIL-forPDF.pdf The introduction also contains additional details about Merril's publications that might be included in your article. --Gr1909 (talk) 02:21, 3 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

ISFDB gives Rose Sharon for two 1957 shortfiction.[1] As I understand that source, a little hastily, Cyril Judd was a pseudonym used only by Kornbluth and Merril jointly. In the hidden template {{Persondata}} i added :* "Sharon, Rose (pseud.); Judd, Cyril (shared pseud.)"

(joint would be better). The article still needs attention to this. --P64 (talk) 18:45, 11 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Reggae Fever[edit]

I had the good fortune of running into Ms. Merrill late one evening in the mid-1970's at Tiger's Coconut Grove, a now-defunct Jamaican coffee shop in Kensington Market. Recognizing her as the UnDoctor, I approached her as an awestruck fan, proclaiming "You're Judith Merrill!" To which she dryly replied "And you're not." It was the first of many encounters at reggae events in Toronto over the next 10 years or so. We were never close, but we shared a reggae fever and a few dances during that time. It's been a long time since my reggae fever diminished and I am 30+ years older now, but I will always remember her fondly. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.233.148.135 (talk) 22:20, 27 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Judith Merril in the Bronx[edit]

Dear Urban Terrorist, I believe that her Bronx days are thoroughly covered in her autobiography, as edited by her granddaughter Emily Pohl-Weary. I'm on the road now, and don't have access to the book, though. Bellagio99 (talk) 04:08, 20 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

So after you've checked, add it as an off-line cite. I'm not claiming that the information here is inaccurate. Quite frankly it matches what I know of her career, and since she was local to me for the last part of her life (I live just north of Toronto) and attended some cons, I saw her on stage quite a few times. My only point is that there was no cite, and we need to add it. UrbanTerrorist (talk) 04:35, 20 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

SFF Hall of Fame[edit]

Merril has been named to the Science Fiction and Fantasy Hall of Fame (whose original name has been restored online).[2]

That notice implies five members to be named daily Mon-Fri. Perhaps there will be some comprehensive press release Friday or next week. --P64 (talk) 19:21, 18 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Three months later there has been no more comprehensive coverage by the museum or by outside sources that seemed likely to me. During a major revision today, I added the bare fact of 2013 hall-of-famerdom with official ref.

--P64 (talk) 18:45, 11 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Her three novels, or more?[edit]

We say, "... in her first few years of writing published science fiction she wrote her three novels (all but the first in collaboration with C.M. Kornbluth) and some stories".

Those three novels were published 1950 to 1952. ISFDB labels The Tomorrow People (Pyramid, 1960) a novel[3] and lists four so-called novels. Per ISFDB Daughters of Earth (1968) first carried the front-cover explanation or long subtitle "Three short novels ..."[4] and in 1969 the subtitle "Three novels".

Should we count novels? If so, how?

--P64 (talk) 18:19, 24 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Zissman, husband Dan or Don?[edit]

Is her first husband certainly Dan Zissman as we say? ISFDB makes him Don Zissman.(essays); (note) (All three "essays" are contributions to her two single-issue fanzines Temper and Science*Fiction #1.

--P64 (talk) 18:42, 24 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

"Judith Merril" by Frederick Pohl[edit]

Third spouse?[edit]

Listed is Dan Zissman, Frederik Pohl, then "?" from "1960 - ?". What's going on there? What is the explanation for the mystery spouse? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.157.9.144 (talk) 21:16, 13 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

"Judith Merril, Part 1: ‘That Only a Mother’". Frederik Pohl. The Way the Future Blogs. November 30, 2010. Part 1 of 9.

Part 9 is dated December 20, 2010. The nine pages are interlinked. --P64 (talk) 02:28, 19 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The link to Pohl's blog is dead. So the mystery of who the third spouse was remains. --Pete Tillman (talk) 01:42, 27 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Early politics[edit]

The article says:

In her mid-teens, Merril pursued Zionism and Marxism.

But then:

In 1939, Judith graduated from Morris High School in the Bronx at 16 and rethought her politics under the influence of the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact (August 23), shifting to a Trotskyist outlook.

In the cited source, Merril says:

I was at a high school called Morris High School... Morris was extremely radical, and mostly Stalinist at that time. I made a move from just plain conventional Zionist to Poalei Tzion, which was social democratic Zionist. And then after a couple of years in the high school I made the next jump to the Trotskyites group.

This really doesn't make sense. What politics did she rethink? The Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact might make her rethink her support for Stalin, and switch to Trotsky, but we never said she was a supporter of Trotsky.--Jack Upland (talk) 06:36, 5 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

External links[edit]

There's a discussion spread out over User talk:Bellagio99 and User talk:Julle but it only really affects this page, so this talk page is probably the proper place. Special:Diff/918829097 kept an external link in the body in the article, but Wikipedia:Manual of Style#External links is rather explicit about the fact that we recommend not doing this. Someone knowledgeable creating an article or otherwise helping out getting that piece of information onto the wiki would be laudable, but an external link is no good temporary substitute. /Julle (talk) 19:34, 30 September 2019 (UTC).[reply]

What about a standard footnote, with a reference in the article? Bellagio99 (talk) 21:42, 30 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Very important question (as for Asimov):[edit]

Did Merrill create in her work strong male caracters ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.153.87.247 (talk) 06:07, 2 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]