Talk:Juliette Pochin

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Copyright issues[edit]

the original page was established with the express permission Of Juliette Pochin...and at her request!, If I have unintentionally breached something please tell me what, and how to rectify the matter. As I understand it Mis pochin provided the text for the Myspace page...as she has for the Wikipedia page. They are inevitably similar. I am a novice in these matters but am quite happy to sort any problems that may exist.

I repeat...the page was set up at the specific request of Miss Pochin..and if required she will confirm that fact. david church /pochinfan Pochinfan (talk) 19:48, 14 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It's a steep learning curve, but I see that another editor has left links and explanations on your talk page, which you'll find helpful. However, both you and Ms. Pochin also need to read WP:COI, Wikipedia's policy and guidelines about editing with a conflict of interest. Wikipedia articles are not alternate web pages for their subjects, and they cannot control the contents. The article will always have to be conform to Wikipedia's guidelines on style, encyclopedic tone, and neutral point of view. Most importantly, it requires references from reliable published sources, which are independent of the article's subject. I've re-written the article on a temporary page to remove the infringing material (see below). You are welcome to add to it there, provided you do so in your own words (neutrally phrased and devoid of PR hype), and all assertions are referenced to reliable sources. An administrator will come along in a few days, and move the new version to the article space. Best wishes, Voceditenore (talk) 10:32, 15 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Article re-written[edit]

I have re-written the article with the copyright infringement removed, and in a neutral language. It is also now referenced to reliable sources. It can be found at Talk:Juliette Pochin/Temp. – Voceditenore (talk) 10:32, 15 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks ...it is a very steep learning curve!!! Thanks for the rewrite which will do well as abase for the future...it will be nice if it is released to the world at large soon. , thanks, pochinfan Pochinfan (talk) 12:58, 15 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Notwithstanding the style and format issues.I am still puzzled ref copyright?. The information is similar to the information in Myspace smiply because both sets of details are provided by the team looking after Juliette Pochin. They were both provided by the same source. What I cannot understand is how two sets of info provided by the same people and issued with their permission can lead to a conflict ref copyright? Nobody is infringing any other persons rights to any information. Perhaps someone could kindly clarify...perhaps my interpretation of "copyright" in eyes of Wikipedia is false? Thanks for help so far. pochinfan Pochinfan (talk) 13:42, 15 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Information is not copyright, but the words used to express it are. This article (with a few minor changes) was a verbatim copy. The following will explain this much more fully:
There is a procedure for granting permission to use copyright material verbatim on Wikipedia. It's somewhat complicated and lengthy. See Wikipedia:Donating copyrighted material for instructions, which must be followed exactly. Wikipedia never allows copyright material simply on the say-so of someone claiming to have permission on an article's talk page. Frankly, it's easier and better just to re-write in your own words. Other editors will take a red pencil to the PR-speak anyway, e.g. "renowned", "acclaimed, "successful", etc. Wikipedia:Words to watch has more guidance on this. Hope this helps. Voceditenore (talk) 15:04, 15 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, I will have a careful look at those! Yes they were close copies of each other...but that was intentional...notwithstanding the style issue. I clearly have very long way to go before I get to grips with the whole Wikipedia ethos.:)..thanks for you advice...I guess I was initially put out by the suggestion I had breached copyright...when in my mind I certainly had not. Never mind...live and learn. pochinfan Pochinfan (talk) 15:56, 15 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Don't worry, lots of new editors make the same mistake. The reason why Wikipedia is so strict about this is basically to protect copyright holders, and Wikipedia itself from legal problems. That's why it never makes exceptions to the established procedures, and why new articles are pretty rigourously scrutinized for potential copy vio, both by human editors and a robot (CorenSearchBot). best, Voceditenore (talk) 16:12, 15 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

thanks. Juliette Pochin has been involved on arranging and producing some other albums. If these are added under "recordings" I assume I have to validate the facts by a link to some external source such as the record label. Does,for example a link to a music reseller that shows tracks with, eg Morgan Pochin shown against the track list count?. Perhaps someone such as Amazon? I have yet to work out howe the little cross reference numbers work? I think I need to study this full time at University! pochinfanPochinfan (talk) 18:02, 15 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Normally, the label and catalogue number is sufficient, although it's good to add a review. It's not good practice to link to Amazon or any other site that simply sells records, although a link to the page on the actual record label site is OK. I'd have sub-cats under the Recordings section to distinguish between her recordings as a performer and those where she is the arranger/producer. I'll make them now and I'll keep the page on my watch list. I can fix any formatting problems, so don't worry about that. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 18:33, 15 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Many thanks for that...your assistance is very much appreciated..I would have given up otherwise! I will read the section ref photos, next!Pochinfan (talk) 05:24, 16 May 2010 (UTC) thanks for the continued assistance...my early attempts seem to blossom into something better by magic! ps if it is helpful to have my e-mail...you are welcomePochinfan (talk) 20:49, 19 May 2010 (UTC) I have photograph I have permission to add to the page for Ms Pochin...despite my attempts I am having touble getting to grips with how it should be done. Any help available would be appreciated .Pochinfan —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pochinfan (talk • contribs) 05:27, 8 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Photo[edit]

I have now managed to post a photograph. This picture has been authorised for insertion by the photographer John Paul Pochin and is also authorised by Ms Pochin. I am unsure how to fulfil all the criteria required by Wikipedia to allow the photo to remain and note there arewarnings that it may be deleted! I have attempted to insert the suitable code and aknowledgement with the image....is this OK and sufficient? In summary , Ms pochin and the photographer who took the image are perfectly happy for it to appear on MS Pochin's Wikipedia page and for it to be available to the world..Pochinfan (talk) 07:31, 18 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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