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This article was nominated for merging with Chris Pincher scandal on 6 July 2022. The result of the discussion was not merged.

On 7 July 2022, it was proposed that this article be moved to July 2022 British government resignations. The result of the discussion was not moved.

On 7 July 2022, it was proposed that this article be moved to 2022 British government crisis. The result of the discussion was procedural close.

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Flora Bowen (17 October 2022). "Wikipedia adds separate page for Truss government crisis to avoid confusion with Johnson era". The Daily Telegraph. Dozens of changes had to be made to the page to keep pace with the news cycle, with users editing multiple times a day on the fastest-moving days in July to cover the wave of resignations made by ministers in that month, Owen Paterson's lobbying, the Partygate scandal, and Mr Johnson's subsequent departure.
Ellie Abraham (19 October 2022). "There are now 2 Wikipedia pages for the '2022 UK government crisis'". Indy100. Helpfully, a Wikipedia volunteer editor named P.Wilkinson made sure users avoid confusion between the two scandals by adding a note to the top of the page titled '2022 United Kingdom government crisis'.
Matt Novak (20 October 2022). "Wikipedia Tells Users to Be More Specific When Searching '2022 UK Government Crisis'". Gizmodo. Wikipedia editors have added a new landing page that asks readers to be more specific if they're searching for the "2022 United Kingdom government crisis." And it speaks to just how poorly things went for conservative Prime Minister Liz Truss, who resigned her post Thursday.

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Ongoing or concluded?[edit]

I've noticed that, until recently, the crisis was described as ongoing. However, this has been changed to say that the crisis only lasted between 5 and 7 July. I think that this requires further discussion, as it could be reasoned that the crisis will not conclude until Johnson has officially left office. There has been some speculation that he may not do so on 5 September (as extraordinary as that sounds). Plus, it has been reported that the government is in a state of paralysis, being described as a "zombie government" (The Guardian). I would therefore recommend that the event be described as ongoing. Willwal1 (talk) 09:33, 7 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I would say the crisis has passed, but its consequences are ongoing. The situation now is very different from the situation at the beginning of July. Any critiques of the current situation might be more appropriate elsewhere, e.g. on the 2022 Conservative leadership election article or the Boris Johnson premiership article. Bondegezou (talk) 10:10, 7 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It seems that the duration of the crisis refers to the resignations and resignation announcements. The fact that a departing government acts in a specific way is something that happens with every election event, so it cannot be labeled as a "government crisis". Nxavar (talk) 06:28, 23 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 19 October 2022[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: The move to July 2022 United Kingdom government crisis has already been carried out and that looks like the clear consensus below. I don't see any support for the alternative OP's July 2022 United Kingdom government mass resignation crisis at this stage, so per WP:SNOW I don't see a need to continue having this RM open. — Amakuru (talk) 17:11, 20 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

July 2022 United Kingdom government crisis → July 2022 United Kingdom government mass resignation crisis – Now that the September 2022 United Kingdom mini-budget crisis has its own page (with a disambiguation on top of this page), the case for moving is stronger. Taking into account the opposing opinions in the last moving discussion, the main point was that it should be referred to as a "crisis," not merely about Johnson's resignation but the temporary nonfunction of government. Also while "Cabinet's mass resignation" may be more accurate, it might confuse with the regular constitutional process of Cabinet mass resignation in semi-presidential systems. -- Egawaryuki21 (talk) 10:36, 19 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: previous title was 2022 United Kingdom government crisis. P.I. Ellsworth , ed. ^put'r there 01:05, 20 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The title changed during this move discussion, but not to the title suggested. CapnZapp (talk) 15:31, 20 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Move to July 2022 United Kingdom government crisis as more WP:CONCISE. Ham II (talk) 14:12, 19 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom and WP:PRECISION, "crisis" without qualifiers is too ambiguous, particularly to those unfamiliar with the UK parliamentary system. Carguychris (talk) 15:23, 19 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I would also support July 2022 United Kingdom government crisis. That name is adequate to disambiguate. Carguychris (talk) 22:00, 19 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support 2022 United Kingdom government crisis → July 2022 United Kingdom government crisis and then rename September 2022 United Kingdom mini-budget → September 2022 United Kingdom government crisis. KeyKing666 (talk) 15:50, 19 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I think the budget and crisis should be two separate articles. The budget appears to have kicked off the crisis, but the crisis is much bigger than the budget. This is Paul (talk) 18:53, 19 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support for disambiguating "2022 United Kingdom government crisis" to have 2022 United Kingdom government crisis (July) and 2022 United Kingdom government crisis (September). This leaves space for a third one before the year is out 😀 CapnZapp (talk) 16:56, 19 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support I would move the article the moment September 2022 United Kingdom mini-budget is renamed. Gust Justice (talk) 18:28, 19 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support because it looks like we now have an October 2022 United Kingdom government crisis. This is Paul (talk) 18:50, 19 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support move to July 2022 United Kingdom government crisis per Ham II XxLuckyCxX (talk) 19:47, 19 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Merge July, September and October to 2022 United Kingdom government crises, on the basis that it's an exponential cascade. NebY (talk) 20:07, 19 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support move to July 2022 United Kingdom government crisis. Simple and easy solution. July 2022 for Boris's crisis; October 2022 for Truss's. JLo-Watson (talk) 20:15, 19 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support move to July 2022 United Kingdom government crisis. Since there's another crisis this year the month should be specified. H3nrique Bregie (talk) 20:48, 19 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support move to July 2022 United Kingdom government crisis. I imagine it would cause confusion if people turn to Wikipedia for a summary only to find what is now old news indeed. Mia (talk) 21:15, 19 October 2022 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mia yun Ruse (talk • contribs) [reply]

Support move to July 2022 United Kingdom government crisis. Especially now that someone has created October 2022 United Kingdom government crisis. We may also need to look into leaving a disambiguation page at 2022 United Kingdom government crisis, given the successive conga line of crises. Sideswipe9th (talk) 21:21, 19 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I heartily concur with your suggestion to change this page's title and immediately create a disambiguation page with the old title. Carguychris (talk) 22:02, 19 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support move to July 2022 United Kingdom government crisis and create disambiguation page for 2022 United Kingdom government crisis per arguments given above. I also believe both should be named government crisis to follow the move request debated only three months about resignations v crisis. Sixula^Talk 21:32, 19 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support move to July 2022 United Kingdom government crisis and create disambiguation page, however I think each crisis (July, September, and October), while cascading, are distinct. So I instead propose a disambig page name of "2022 United Kingdom government crises", with a redirect from the old title ("2022 United Kingdom government crisis") to the new disambig page. --Pinchme123 (talk) 22:30, 19 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support move to July 2022 United Kingdom government crisis and create disambiguation page, as per the above. Regards, Anameofmyveryown (talk) 22:39, 19 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comment someone just moved this page, so I've gone ahead and created a disambiguation page at the previous title, per WP:BOLD. I was writing very hastily so y'all please feel free to correct any mistakes I made! Carguychris (talk) 22:54, 19 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support move to July 2022 United Kingdom government crisis. I do not think there is a need for qualifiers like "mass resignation" as this name is WP:CONCISE enough. Arcahaeoindris (talk) 13:06, 20 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support move to July 2022 United Kingdom government crisis. The name is both effective in terms of conveying the information in a nutshell and short enough to comply with our policies. The "mass resignation" part would be unnecessary. Keivan.f^Talk 14:33, 20 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support move to July 2022 United Kingdom government crisis. As per above. Edl-irishboy (talk) 16:55, 20 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Awkward title[edit]

Titles like "July 2022 United Kingdom government crisis" are very awkwardly worded (nouns crashing into each other etc), and aren't how people/media tend to refer back to these events commonly. No-one talks about the "July 2022 United Kingdom government crisis". They would talk about something more natural like "Resignation of Boris Johnson" or similar given that's what the subject ultimately is about, particularly after its culmination. 2A00:23C4:6B13:D801:9891:A296:AD67:D93E (talk) 15:06, 21 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]