Talk:Jupp Heynckes

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"Worst Eintracht Frankfurt manager in the club's history"[edit]

We need a reliable source for this opinion allegedly held by some people. Otherwise, it needs to go. -The Gnome (talk) 06:58, 29 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Raul?[edit]

"Altogether, Jupp Heynckes scored 51 goals in 64 matches in European club competitions which puts him in fourth rank after Italy's Filippo Inzaghi with 68, Gerd Müller with 65 and Eusébio with 57 goals." Shouldn't Heynckes rather be placed in 5th place, as IMHO Raul (Real/Schalke) has scored like 65 or 70 goals in European club competitions. Not sure and without a reliable source, I prefer asking instead of editing :) 84.186.153.105 (talk) 19:57, 20 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Pretty sure Andriy Shevchenko has surpassed that number of goals too. Klingklang (talk) 07:48, 12 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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"manager" vs. "coach"[edit]

The use of the term manager to describe Heynckes' role is really confusing. I think maybe this is due to UK tradition, where the coach of a football team is also the manager. But in the rest of Europe's football teams, these roles are usually filled by two different people. Case in point, to call Heynckes the manager of Bayern München borders on flat wrong; in German, he is the Trainer, which pretty much translates as coach, while Uli Hoeneß as the "Präsident" manages the team. This distinction is made in all German clubs, and many, if not all, other European countries, e.g. Spain (Presidente vs. Entrenador) and France (Président vs. Entraîneur).


I see "manager" is used throughout WP:EN for football coach; where can i discuss this globally? i think it's wrong. but maybe i'm wrong. Doceddi (talk) 07:33, 2 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You can discuss this at WT:FOOTY. --Jaellee (talk) 11:12, 2 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
No need to discuss there actually. European football articles use British English where the term is manager. If it were a North American club article, it might be acceptable to call him a coach. Walter Görlitz (talk) 14:23, 2 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Orphaned references in Jupp Heynckes[edit]

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Jupp Heynckes's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "FIFA":

  • From Midfielder: "Chelsea prayers fly to the wings". FIFA. 2006-03-05. Retrieved 2008-06-25.
  • From El Salvador national football team: "El Salvador". FIFA. Retrieved 16 May 2011.
  • From Élber Giovane: "Giovane Elber: "World Cup euphoria has intensified"". FIFA.com. 4 August 2005. Retrieved 10 February 2010.
  • From Antonín Panenka: "The cult of the Panenka penalty". FIFA.com. 25 June 2012. Retrieved 3 July 2012.
  • From Wynton Rufer: "Rufer's a Wynr in New Zealand". FIFA.com. Retrieved 11 May 2013.
  • From Kaká: FIFA Classic Football[dead link]

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 07:02, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Quotation marks[edit]

A change I made to the style of quotation mark was recently reverted, so I'd like to explain my edit. The applicable standard, MOS:QUOTEMARKS, makes no reference to European style quotation marks and states a preference for quotation marks that appear like "this". Also, the section header uses straight quotes, and my edit created more uniformity. I will not revert the revert, but I do not believe that „this“ style of quotation mark is appropriate for the English language Wikipedia. I've been wrong in the past, and I will gladly acknowledge if I am incorrect about this issue. Andrew327 17:20, 11 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Reverted multiple times. We are not at liberty to change source material. Walter Görlitz (talk) 17:23, 11 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with Walter Görlitz. It is not correct to change for example the spelling in referenced material, so why should it be correct to change the quotes? --Jaellee (talk) 17:47, 11 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

A bit over tabled?[edit]

No dispute that Heynckes is an important manager and there is rightly a lot of focus on this in the article. However at present there are three Managerial tables: the standard WDL per club, a more detailed table of each season's results and then a third displaying the multiple stints at certain club, while also repeating in text that he has been at those clubs more than once. To me, this latter table is in particular is totally unnecessary, anyone who is interested will easily observe multiple spells in the Infobox, in the biography and in the complete manager stats table, to mention and repeat it again is overkill IMO. I would also say that since a detailed table has been created, the standard WDL table could also go, with the subtotals shown in separate rows as occurs in player stats tables. I don't recall seeing that display style in a manager table before, but I also don't recall seeing a season by season table either. Anyway, I think it should be looked at please. Crowsus (talk) 06:35, 19 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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