Talk:KLM Cityhopper

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For users updating the KLM Cityhopper WIKI page

Please do not edit fleet/general details unless you have absoloute fact to hand.

The fleet numbers have undergone several frequent changes with incorrect data. In particular the Fokker 100 fleet.

The following aircraft are no longer in service with KLM cityhopper:

PH-MJL (Lease) PH-OFC PH-KLD PH-KLE PH-OFI PH-OFK PH-KLG

This reduces the fleet to 14 Fokker 100 as of June 2009. Please find below a list of aircraft for disposal at the rate of 1 per month as the Embraer 190 arrives.

PH-OFA PH-OFB PH-OFD PH-OFE PH-OFF PH-OFG PH-OFH PH-OFJ PH-KLI

Regarding seat capacity of the Fokker 100 aircraft. Please note, the configs range from 101 seats to 103 seats (the most common config) & finally 108 seats (PH-OFO & PH-OFP) both currently have 108 seats.

KLM cityhopper will keep the following Fokker 100 aircraft for 2010.

PH-OFL PH-OFM PH-OFN PH-OFO PH-OFP

Please remember that WIKI is used as a source of factual information by millions, even though it depends on anonymous input. However, a duty of factuality has to be upheld. Please do not depend upon fleet websites, inflight magazines etc to gather information regarding the airlines fleet. Such sources are often not correct or not up to date.

KLM cityhopper has no plans to introduce the E170 to its fleet at this time. The type will not replace the Fokker 50 and such citations are not accurate. The company will simply introduce more E190 and shift some Fokker 70 aircraft over to the Fokker 50 routes.

KLM cityhopper is a commercial entity & the publication of misleading or incorrect data could lead to issues for WIKI and its users.

The above information is 100% correct, please take it in good faith and only update details on the airline if you have complete fact to hand. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.153.207.194 (talk) 22:22, 22 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Please notice that the reference stated on the page is the reference to the official Dutch civil aircraft authority. All civil aircraft of The Netherlands is listed their. No Dutch person or company is allowed to use civil aircraft if it is not listed, checked and controlled by this authority. So the numbers stated in their database are absolutely correct. The database is updated every Monday, so it is up to date. KLM cityhopper may use less aircraft than they have, but that does not mean that they do not have those aircraft. Only if an aircraft is delisted from the Dutch civil aircraft authority, it should be delisted on wiki. And hence, only aircraft listed on their list, should be listed on wiki, not based on information from Boeing, Airbus, Embraer or what so ever. Even if a company delivers an aircraft to an airline, it is, according to Dutch law, not in possession of the airline until it is listed by the Dutch civil aircraft authority. This does not mean however, that aircraft are only listed once a week. Only the update is available once a week. So stop altering the number of aircraft in the fleet! Schalkcity (talk) 23:06, 22 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The fleet section should only include active aircraft, details of others are irrelevant and not helpful to the public. The fact remains that, KLM cityhopper only has 14 active, in use, online Fokker 100 at this time. The ones that are removed are not in any state to return to service with the airline at short notice and have since been sold.

6 F100's have an airworthiness until a date in 2010. All others until certain dates in 2009. So likely, KLM cityhopper is phasing out all but 6 aircrafts in 2009 and the others in 2010 (or later). Similarly, 7 F70's have an airworthiness until a date in 2009, so these 7 will be phased out. And finally, 4 F50's have an airworthiness until a date in 2009, so these 4 will be phased out. Schalkcity (talk) 14:30, 23 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Not correct. All 3 statements. Regarding Phase out of Fk70 & all but 6 Fk100. I give up, update as much wrong data as you wish.

Call sign[edit]

Can someone stop the edit wat that is going on about the call sign? KLM cityhopper obviously does not have the same call sign as KLM, so it seems unlogical that their call sign is KLM. CITY seems quite logic. Schalkcity (talk) 19:52, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • KLM Cityhopper operates with KLM as their callsign, not City! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.167.40.33 (talk) 21:18, 24 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • That's correct. Both the IATA code "WA" (and the ICAO code KLC) and the callsign "City" are not used for a long long time by KLM Cityhopper, as it is a part of KLM. All KLM Cityhopper flights operate with "KLM" callsign and "KL" designator on tickets and flight information displays. Harbosma (talk) 10:00, 18 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Cityhopper flies for KLM with the code KLM and callsign KLM but it does have its own code and callsign KLC/CITY which is what goes in the infobox. Some suggestion that it is not used, that acutally doesnt matter it is still the callsign allocated to the airline. As a bit of original research then perhaps somebody can explain why PH-EXX flew over her as KLC 1065 yesterday, thanks. MilborneOne (talk) 15:41, 25 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Fokker 70/100 seat cofiguration[edit]

The seat configuration of the Fokker aircraft were not correctly stated. In the business class of the Fokker and B737 aircraft, every intermediate seat in a row is left empty. This is done to increase privacy and space.

In the Fokker aircraft there is no difference in pitch beween economy and business seats. Therefore it is possible to have a variating configuration. I know this because I am involved in the ground handlin process of these magnificent aircraft in my job.

I have made some corrections/additions.

Harbosma (talk) 09:54, 18 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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