Talk:Kalmiuske

Move to Kalmiuske

User:Ymblanter, regarding the edit summary “Ymblanter moved page Kalmiuske, Donetsk Oblast to Komsomolske, Donetsk Oblast over redirect: revertewd undiscussed move by a disruptive user; the consensus is against the move,” where was this consensus reached? —Michael Z. 16:24, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

Replied at Talk:Kirovske, Donetsk Oblast--Ymblanter (talk) 16:54, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

Updating

This will have to be updated due to current events. Jackiespeel (talk) 12:02, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

This makes sense, considering the renaming of the page for Chystiakove. VRD2211 (talk) 06:03, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

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Requested move 16 November 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Page moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Jerium (talk) 19:43, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

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Komsomolske, Donetsk Oblast → Kalmiuske – Kalmiuske is the WP:COMMONNAME when you filter out sources before 2016 and those that mention the former name retrospectively. See results in Google Web Search: Kalmiuske Komsomolske

Results for Kalmiuske are 18,200, results for Komsomolske are 114. Many of the remaining "Komsomolske" results are actually invalid in this context, as they're mentioning the city in a 2014-2015 perspective, or mentioning a factory with the name, or the Crimean city of the same name. Meanwhile, Kalmiuske appears to be overwhelmingly the name used in geographic databases that are scraped by all those autogenerated geography websites in the search results, and the overwhelmingly more common name used by governments and international organizations like the OSCE, the Ukrainian government and English-language Ukrainian media, and other sources. Nobody seems to use "Komsomolske" at all nowadays - whenever the settlement is mentioned, it seems to be in the context of listing out a bunch of renamed settlements in big tables or in past-tense contexts pre-2016.

Other ways of searching mostly resulted in either no data or useless data. There are only two Google News results for Kalmiuske, and for Komsomolske there are exactly zero after 2016. Neither name has any mentions after 2016 in Google Books: Kalmiuske, Komsomolske In Google Scholar, the two names are almost tied: Komsomolske (18) vs Kalmiuske (20) but many of the Komsomolske results are referring to other villages, or to the Donetsk Oblast city in the past tense (as in "Pro-Russian militants took over Komsomolske in 2014", or "Nadiia was born in Komsomolske in 1995").

I think this is a relatively solid COMMONNAME, and so the article should have that title as well. This would also establish WP:CONSISTENCY with Kalmiuske Raion, Kalmiuske urban hromada, and other renamed settlements in Ukraine. It would follow precedents set with recent moves like those at Talk:Bunhe, Talk:Khrustalnyi, and Talk:Voznesenivka, it would naturally disambiguate the name of the settlement from other places with the same name, and it would be generally preferred since Kalmiuske is the official name of the city given to it by the internationally recognized government of the territory. HappyWith (talk) 19:21, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

• Support per nomination. Since Kalmiuske is indeed located within Ukraine, the main title of its English Wikipedia entry should depict its Ukrainian name, rather than its Russian name. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 21:04, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

Support. The post-2016 OSCE sources in the article use Kalmiuske, mentioning “(formerly Komsomolske).” Of sources recommended by WP:WIAN:

• GNIS[1] gives name Kalmiuske, variant names Karakubstroy, Karakubstroyevo, Komsomolske, Komsomol’skoye, and Ploshchadka. (It also returns over 20 other places in Ukraine with a name Komsomolske.)
• Maps:
  • Google Maps gives Kalmiuske.[2]
  • Apple Maps gives Kal'mius'ke.[3]

The move also serves to disambiguate from some other places named Komsomolske (disambiguation). It gives WP:CONSISTENCY with practically all other titles of Ukrainian place articles, which use the current Ukrainian name.  —Michael Z. 02:31, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

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