Talk:Karen Dalton

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On 5 September 2013, it was proposed that this article be moved from Karen Dalton (entertainer) to Karen Dalton (singer). The result of the discussion was page moved.

Not Cherokee[edit]

Asked to name the most erroneous of the Dalton myths, Dalton’s daughter, Abralyn Baird answers disarmingly: “The Cherokee princess one makes us all laugh.” Her mother’s parents, John and Evelyn Cariker, came from “mostly Irish” stock, she says. One grandmother was distantly related to Will Rogers, the Cherokee cowboy-actor, but the link was “pretty dilute”. A nice story then? “Isn’t it though?” Baird replies. http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/ec8ae580-45b3-11e1-93f1-00144feabdc0.html

Do you have a source that isn't behind a paywall? These are pretty big claims since multiple sources list her as Native. Also, sign your posts. PatrioticProletarian (talk) 05:25, 14 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Proposal for moving the article[edit]

Entertainer? Why don't we use (singer) or (musician)? --Pequod76 (talk-ita.esp.eng) 00:13, 28 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Move discussion in progress[edit]

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Requested move 1b[edit]

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The result of the move request was: page moved. —Darkwind (talk) 05:01, 29 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Karen Dalton (entertainer) → Karen Dalton (singer) – (unbundled as requested) American folk blues singer (1937-1993), current WP:AT fails WP:CRITERIA per WP:RS. "singer Karen Dalton" = 71,700 results in plain Google vs "entertainer Karen Dalton" = zero results.--Relisted. -- tariqabjotu 02:55, 19 September 2013 (UTC) In ictu oculi (talk) 03:42, 5 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Support; "(entertainer)" is always a bad way to title an article, and all articles titled that way should be moved to another title. I suppose there will never be a consensus for moving certain present articles, but they are still wrong. 168.12.253.66 (talk) 13:40, 5 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. She was notable as a singer as well as a musician (guitar and banjo). "Musician" would be more accurate than "singer". Dohn joe (talk) 01:19, 7 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

We have another 10,000 (singer) articles who can be renamed (entertainer) because they could play a guitar. This "oppose" flies in the face of WP:AT CRITERIA 1,2,3,5. In ictu oculi (talk) 03:38, 7 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nom, but Karen Dalton (musician) may also be a good choice. --BDD (talk) 18:06, 17 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

@BDD: I looked after Dohn joe made that comment but there's no printed sources for "musician Karen Dalton" - as far as I can see she rarely backed up anyone else, she was a singer:

Marcus Greil Bob Dylan: Writings 1968-2010 p353 "On Gala Mill, the Drones cover “Are You Leaving for the Country,” a song learned from a recording by the '60s Greenwich Village folk-scene jazz singer Karen Dalton (“My favorite singer in the place,” Bob Dylan says in Chronicles of the Café ..."

Dick Weissman Which Side Are You On? 2006 "The Wha was open all day and had wall-to-wall music, often spearheaded by Oklahoma blues and country singer Karen Dalton and (later to be) hit songwriter Fred Neil."

New York Magazine - 1971 Nov 1 p18 "The Blues Project and singer Karen Dalton entertain.

Bust No37-42 p79 2006 "A loving look back at the hugely influential life, and tragic death, of folk singer Karen Dalton

New Statesman Vol 135 nos 4796-4811 p 42 2006 "the unique, beguiling talent of 1960s blues singer Karen Dalton

In ictu oculi (talk) 03:41, 19 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

(musician) is still a neutral, descriptive title for vocalist and instrumentalist. If she's best known as a singer, I still think that's the best dab, but it's plainly accurate to refer to her as a musician also. --BDD (talk) 16:06, 19 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi User:BDD, noted, though you supported (singer) and "singer Karen Dalton" has 6 GBooks, I have no objection to (musician) if there's a reason but "musician Karen Dalton" gets 0 GBooks, and no evidence of instrumentals or backing anyone else. Normally we'd call a singer a singer here. In ictu oculi (talk) 02:03, 20 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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AIDS-related death[edit]

The article is in the category of "AIDS-related deaths in New York", but it had no mention of HIV/AIDS anywhere. Since a cursory Google search mostly mentions an AIDS-related death, and her friends have said that she was HIV-positive, I've added it back to the article. Her daughter says she might have had HIV but that she died of throat cancer (this is the only mention of throat cancer I've found online) so I've kept that too.

Keep both the HIV mention and the AIDS death category, or keep neither. It makes no sense to categorise the article and then remove the relevant piece of information that puts the article in that category. Missimack (talk) 16:21, 11 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I would add that someone doesn't "die of AIDS", rather there is an illness such as an acute respiratory infection to which they are unable to mount a competent immune response. Since the Financial Times article linked to in the piece, and several others that have written about her death, doesn't specify, I think "died due to an AIDS-related illness" is more accurate. DominicJones (talk) 04:08, 5 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]