Talk:Karl Nesselrode

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Not Baltic[edit]

Nesselrode did not relate to the Baltics. His father came from Germany.

Coupe Nesselrode?[edit]

Is there any relationship between Karl Nesselrode and Coupe Nesselrode?--81.62.39.227 (talk) 01:39, 10 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You mean the dessert? It was named in his honour, can't remember by which Paris or St. Petersburg chef....I was expecting to find an article on it, actually....Skookum1 (talk) 03:48, 13 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ambiguity[edit]

"He was present at the inconclusive Battle of Eylau in January 1807, fought by Count Von Bennigsen and assisted at the negotiations of the Peace of Tilsit,"

- does this mean "he fought alongside Count V-B at the battle" or "he was at the battle that was fought by Count V-B"?

Religion[edit]

"In deference to his mother's Protestantism he was baptized in the chapel of the British Embassy, thus becoming a member of the Church of England and not the Russian Orthodox Church." ——As a Baltic German he would not have been Russian Orthodox anyway, but some kind of Lutheran, or perhaps Reformed. He was probably christened in an Anglican venue because, at that time (1780), little distinction was made between Anglicanism and Lutheranism, as witness the scheme for alternating Anglican/Lutheran "bishops" in Jerusalem, a project that raised a furore among High Church Anglicans.

Nesselrode is buried in the Smolensky Lutheran Cemetery in Saint-Petersburg.

208.87.248.162 (talk) 15:44, 13 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Nesselrode's mother was Louise Gontard, daughter of a Huguenot banker in Frankfurt (as noted in Polish WP). Ingle (see "Further Reading") p 6 attributes to N the claim that her family also had "Jewish and Catholic branches". But Louise can hardly be described as "Jewish by origin" (article para 1). 78.144.75.237 (talk) 21:48, 6 December 2015 (UTC) Derek Davis[reply]

Birth date discrepancy[edit]

The Russian WP and various other sources have him born on 2 December (OS) = 13 December (NS). Not 14 December. I can't find any discussion of how this discrepancy arose, or any confirmation of which date is correct. -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 23:08, 3 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The 12 day difference is Nesselrode himself (Autobiographie: "Je suis né à Lisbonne, l'année 1780, le 2 (14) décembre.") He will have been using the convention applicable in all his C19 correspondence, forgetting that the C18 difference was 11 days. But it is unclear which is the substantive date and which the equivalent. 78.144.75.237 (talk) 21:19, 6 December 2015 (UTC) Derek Davis[reply]

Portugal used the Gregorian calendar while Russia continued to use the Julian calendar up to 1918. Hence the famous October revolution of 1917 (which was actually a coup d'etat) took place on 7 November 1917 according to the Gregorian calendar. The 12 day difference relates to what calendar one is using. It is confusing, but the article should simply list the Julian and Gregorian dates, which is the norm in scholarship relating to Russia. --A.S. Brown (talk) 00:18, 26 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]