Talk:Karpman drama triangle

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In reading through this addition, the content is not encyclopedic ("Karpman Drama Triangle has been cited in papers on Parental alienation"), and the papers provided do not mention Karpman Drama Triangle. Additionally, Dr Courtois is not associated with the academic paper or book cited, just a slide presentation that she made.
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Dr Courtois cited the Karpman Drama Triangle as possible pattern for a trauma reenactment. [1] [2]

This pattern of trauma reenactment has been cited as a false narrative in what is sometimes called severe parental alienation. [3] [4]

References

  1. ^ Pearlman, Laurie (2005). "Clinical Applications of the Attachment Framework: Relational Treatment of Complex Trauma" (PDF). Journal of Traumatic Stress. 18: 449–459. doi:10.1002/jts.20052.
  2. ^ Courtois, Christine. [:http://www.dhss.delaware.gov/dsamh/files/si10_1396_presentation.pdf "Treating Complex Trauma: Relational Healing for Relational Injury"] (PDF). Delaware Health and Social Services. Retrieved 9 January 2016. {{cite web}}: Check |url= value (help)
  3. ^ Lovejoy, Hans. "Tales of parental alienation and a collapsing legal system". Echo NETDAILY. Retrieved 29 August 2015.
  4. ^ Childress, Craig A. (2015), "The Trauma Reenactment Narrative", in Childress, Craig A. (ed.), An Attachment-Based Model of Parental Alienation: Foundations, Claremont, California: Oaksong Press, pp. 222–240, ISBN 9780996114509. {{citation}}: Invalid |ref=harv (help)

Wiki-psyc (talk) 18:08, 11 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the excellent feedback. The concerns might be addressed by the rewrite and explanations below.
The foundational contribution of Karpman triangles to trauma and child abuse is there, but admittedly, it does requires tenacity to see/verify it:
  • In the trauma reenactment paper, Courtois discusses victim-perpetrator-rescuer-bystander reenactments. I find that to be really amazing stuff, and Dr Courtois is a major force at the APA as per her bio, so other people are big on it too (but that is irrelevant to the article).
  • Here are some quotes from the trauma reenactment paper "Reenactments of the traumatic past are common in the treatment of this population and frequently represent either explicit or coded repetitions of the unprocessed trauma in an attempt at mastery ... One primary transference–countertransference dynamic involves reenactment of familiar roles of victim–perpetrator–rescuer–bystander in the therapy relationship
  • She leaves us all hanging about where she came up with victim-perpetrator-rescuer, until one discovers her several slide decks where she explains where she came up with it (e.g. from Karpman). It may have been a faux pas to omit the citation of Karpman, or maybe she did not realize that these triangles were "already discovered", but hey, I am just really excited to see where it came from and I might think others would be too. It is a major feather in the cap for Karpman, since Karpman becomes important in a slightly different field. There are multiple of these slide decks where she refers back to Karpman. A slide deck for a talk appearing on a government web site is of higher quality than many other websites (google assigns high page rank to government sites). A slide deck from a medical facility is also of higher quality
  • Then you have someone in yet another field, refer to important applications of victim-perpetrator-resuer reeactments (Childress - Foundations) and cite Courtois.
  • Then you have a newspaper article refering to reenactments involving victim-perpetrator-rescuer citing Childress, and you have a the Italian National Forensic site doing the same. I apologize that I did manage to cite the WRONG newspaper article initially.
  • I find this to be amazing ... the Karpman triangle "has legs" in diverse fields such as treating psychological trauma and understanding psychological child abuse.
See rewrite link ("show").
Karpman Drama Triangles have foundational contributions in treating trauma survivors, trauma reenactment, and child abuse.

[1] [2] [3] [4] [5]

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References

  1. ^ Courtois, Christine. "Treating Complex Trauma: Relational Healing for Relational Injury" (PDF). Delaware Health and Social Services. Retrieved 9 January 2016.
  2. ^ Pearlman, Laurie (2005). "Clinical Applications of the Attachment Framework: Relational Treatment of Complex Trauma" (PDF). Journal of Traumatic Stress. 18: 449–459. doi:10.1002/jts.20052.
  3. ^ Courtois, Christine. "Understanding and Working with Complex Trauma and Dissociation" (PDF). Mid Valley Behavioral Care Network. Retrieved 9 January 2016.
  4. ^ Bertholdo, Stephanie. "PARENT ALIENATION What happens when ex-spouses wage war with children on the front line". Thousand Oaks Acorn. Retrieved 11 January 2016.
  5. ^ Childress, Craig A. (2015), An Attachment-Based Model of Parental Alienation: Foundations, Claremont, California: Oaksong Press, pp. 222–240, ISBN 9780996114509 {{citation}}: Invalid |ref=harv (help)
  6. ^ Pingitore, Marco. "Parental Alienation, Interview with Craig Childress". Italian Society of Forensic Science. Retrieved 11 January 2016.
Hotornotquestionmarknot (talk) 00:52, 12 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

It would seem that this content area belongs in the Parental alienation article with a linkback to this article.
Wiki-psyc (talk) 16:38, 12 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
That works too. TksHotornotquestionmarknot (talk) 16:52, 12 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure that application of KDT is an encyclopedic point in itself, but you can probably find an encyclopedic point in one of those articles. Be careful not to violate WP:ORIGINAL. Best.
Wiki-psyc (talk) 17:42, 12 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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