Talk:Kazakh alphabets

Janga

It seems wrong, to me, that two different letters are transcribed equally in janga system.

Қ қ ق 	Q q  Kh kh
Х х ح 	X x  Kh kh

I suppose the first one is wrong, as Kh as a transliteration of X is the usual.

--80.33.152.28 13:03, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Kazakh uses Cyrillic Small Letter Byelorussian-Ukrainian I (U+0456), but and why the uppercase corresponds to Turkish Latin letter I with dot above (U+0130) ? (kk:Қазақ кирилл әліпбиі uses Cyrillic Capital Letter Byelorussian-Ukrainian I (U+0406).) Can anyone confirm it? Also see http://www.primavista.ru/dictionary/abc/kazakh.htm -Hello World! 13:03, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

You are right. Fixed. Also is removed unofficial proprietary scripts.--AlefZet 16:30, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Please translate

There is lots of interesting history of the Kazakh alphabet and its bizarre journey through the arabic, latin, and cyrillic scripts. I'm no expert in this, but the Russian article (featured!) seems to have lots of this info (I don't read Russian well). Can somebody do at least a rough translation? Staecker 18:07, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

I have done what I can translate :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.6.51.126 (talk) 07:17, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

Sarsen Amanzholovich Amanzholov

I'd like to see an article on this person - who developed the alphbet.

Yours truly, --Ludvikus 22:57, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Book on the above

  EVP Order Number 	O2007123
  Author(s) 	Amanzholov, Sarsen Amanzholovich
  City 	Almaty
  Country 	Kazakhstan
  Language 	Russian
  ISBN 996507173X
  Date Publication 	2002
  Publisher 	Ghylym
  Subject 	Humanities
  Languages/Linguistics
  Kazakhstan
  Cover Type 	Hard cover
  Pages 	366

Yours truly, --Ludvikus 23:01, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Kazakh Scouting

Can someone render Dayyin Bol (Be Prepared), the Scout Motto, into Kazakh Cyrillic? Thanks! Chris 15:21, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Here you go: Дайын бол. Selerian (talk) 15:18, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

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Advanced version of romanisation?

Who uses the "Advanced version of romanisation" as given on this page? It looks like an Uzbek inspired latinization, but as far as I am aware, this isn't the Kazakhstan government's 2000s proposed latin script. As Cyrillic is official in the country, some justification for the inclusion of "Advanced version of romanisation" in this article should be given. languagegeek (talk) 14:17, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Historical alphabets must be removed from the page

The part about Historical alphabets should be removed. It deals with old Turkic alphabets which are not specifically related to Kazakh. Even under the assumption that Crimean kipchak and Kazakh are related, it does not mean that Kazakhs come from the group of Kipchaks who settled in Crimeans... At least, sources must be mentioned. --Qyzylqarga (talk) 20:37, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Missing letters in correspondence chart

What happened to the letters Ё, Ц, etc. in the 2017 Latin script? Currently these are blank in the table. 2601:644:1:B7CB:6598:4AE7:81E6:AFB7 (talk) 21:51, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

Those letters have no equivalents in the new Latin script, and will be written using a combination of other letters. Exactly which combinations will be used is currently being decided by official linguists in Kazakhstan. But probably Ё will become IO, and Ц will become TS. The reason these letters have not been included in the new alphabet is because these letters were not present in Kazakh before it was switched to Cyrillic, and are not used in any native Kazakh words. These are letters specific to the Russian alphabet and are only seen in words borrowed from the Russian language. Selerian (talk) 15:18, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

Over-hasty editing of this page

I object to the way this page has been hastily written to change everything to the apostrophe romanization. There is an upswell of resistance to it in favour of another more "Turkic" alphabet. If nothing, both of these should be given on this page. The new one is controversial, and while "decreed" has not been implemented -- Evertype·✆ 12:57, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

Feb 2018 Alphabet

If someone wants to make the update, the newest revision of the alphabet as announced yesterday is available here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:2018_Kazakh_Latin_Alphabet.png Trey314159 (talk) 17:02, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

About the letter I

Why is there a dotted and dotless minuscule i while the capital I is not differentiated? Malurian123 18:09, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

Yes, the capital I represents two different letters and is not differentiated. My understanding is that the Kazakh linguists looked at the Turkish alphabet and thought that it was too weird/inconvenient to have Iı and İi, and instead preferred to have at least one letter Ii that capitalizes the same way as in English. The drawback of their decision is of course that when the letters ı and i are capitalized, they now look identical as I and I. Which of the two letters is used will need to be determined from context. Selerian (talk) 15:18, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

Yet ANOTHER revision.

https://astanatimes.com/2019/11/fourth-version-of-kazakh-latin-script-will-preserve-language-purity-linguists-say/ ― Дрейгорич / Dreigorich Talk 18:56, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

If I recall correctly, this was also the first version, wasn't it? 85.163.122.254 (talk) 23:04, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

More Tatar

Preqono loçañ

Bötorat snartäcäl hopüğil

2601:C6:C580:11A0:F11D:49D:98EA:5883 (talk) 23:52, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

Çuroqänim

Duşomeñ päkäm

C with cedille missing?

It appears that the C with cedille was dropped from the two most recent versions of the latin script (Jan 2021 and Apr 2021). This is also the case in the reference from the Astana Times. Is the plan to replace this with T and S with cedille?--2A02:8071:3EC8:1800:ADDC:1D3:BFA3:EDD1 (talk) 14:22, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

I believe it will be replaced using just s with cedille (ş) Selerian (talk) 20:51, 1 January 2023 (UTC)

Can someone explain the policy for letters я, ё, ю, ъ, ь, э, ц, ч and щ?

These letters have been used in the current Cyrillic set and not all letters just in loanwords.

чек -> şek? объектив -> obektiv? юриспруденция -> ürisprudensia? Anatoli (talk) 04:44, 9 July 2022 (UTC)

Yes, your guesses are correct. All these letters are not pronounceable in Kazakh (unless you pronounce the word using Russian pronunciation), so the plan is to give words which contain these letters a new spelling which agrees with Kazakh phonotactic constraints. Selerian (talk) 20:51, 1 January 2023 (UTC)

Update needed

"This version will be officially implemented starting 2023." Was it? Kdammers (talk) 04:38, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

Comparison to the CTA

Reading the article I don't understand: is the new alphabet identical to the CTA? a455bcd9 (Antoine) (talk) 17:15, 14 September 2023 (UTC)