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Kelham House[edit]

Kelham House is mentioned by several authorities as the place where King Carles I remained during his stay, but there is no evidence by which it is possible to fix the site of this dwelling. The Sutton family resided at Averham, but Robert Sutton joined Charles I at Oxford, and his estates were in consequence sequestrated and his house at Averham burnt by the troops. In reward for his services and some compensation for his losses, he was, in 1645, created Lord Lexington.(Brown 1904, p. 112 cites Lexington Papers, p. 2)

The old hall at Kelham is stated by Thoroton to have been built "after the wars", by Robert Sutton, Lord Lexington. As the house at Averham had been burnt, and Kelham Hall had not yet built, there is no obvious historical candidate for "Kelham House" and it was probably a house of some size in the village of Kelham (Brown 1904, p. 112).

The above text incorporates text from a work in the public domain: Brown, Cornelius (1904), History of Newark-on-Trent; being the life story of an ancient town, vol. II, Newark: Whiles

Browns research is at odds with what is currently in this article:

The Kelham estate was first acquired by William Sutton from the Foljambe family. "On 5 May 1647, King Charles I surrendered at the end of the English Civil War at nearby Southwell and was held at Kelham Hall for several days afterwards."(International Tree Foundation) The Hall was upgraded by William's son Robert Sutton, 1st Baron Lexinton after the Civil War. This first house was destroyed by fire in the reign of William and Mary.

source "FTS Kelham Hall". International Tree Foundation. Archived from the original on 4 July 2008.

The source currently used in the article is not authoritative. The timeline of the website http://kelham-hall.com makes a similar claim but do hot provide any sources and beside it fail MRDA

Are there any more recent reliable sources that contradict Cornelius Brown's 1904 research? -- PBS (talk) 09:17, 5 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

A source for the fire and a detailed description of the house is available online but unfortunately it does not mention 1646 or the date that the original building was constructed. Jacks writes that the fire on the night of 27/28 November 1857 destroyed the previous mansion that had been constructed after a fire during the reign of William and Mary had destroyed the "ancient fabric that stood on the site":

Jacks, Leonard. The great houses of Nottinghamshire and the county families. Nottingham: W. and A.S. Bradshaw. pp. 60–64.

-- PBS (talk) 10:11, 5 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Kelham Hall[edit]

I have created a separate article about Kelham Hall mainly comprising material copied from the Kelham page. Some material about the hall has been retained on the Kelham page, albeit pruned and with a link to the new page.Thoughtfortheday (talk) 15:11, 3 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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