Talk:Kelleys Island, Ohio

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Untitled[edit]

We think there needs to be an article about the Glacial Grooves on the North end of the Island.

Glacial Grooves[edit]

Perhaps a reference to this URL would do the job: http://www.ohiohistory.org/places/glacial/

What is this stuff about mob connections and the guy who owns the ferry? It's hardly relevant at all. I heard that the guy who drives the ferry was charged with posession of marijuana- should that be on there too? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.189.141.203 (talk) 03:50, 8 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Consider it Done[edit]

hey I'm the original editor of Island Development on this article and creator of the Lake Erie Islands. I just finished the Glacial Grooves State Memorial. I also made a short article on Kelleys Island State Park. btw thanks for expanding the articles I'm just a tourist who LOVES the Islands... -John

source dump[edit]

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Removal of Trip Advisor

External Link to Copyrighted Site and Hotel aggregate booking engine

1. Trip advisor claims it's copyright distictively and clearly by prohibiting linking to it's copyrighted material. It states:

[Copyrighted material removed]

2. Trip Advisor (A division of Expedia) IS a hotel booking site therefore by reading below you can see it is in "What not to link to" Further more I have placed other editors comments to support this position below. I hope this clears it up for you.

http://wikitravel.org/en/Wikitravel:External_links

What not to link to Avoid linking to secondary sources - for example, avoid links to:

Hotel or travel booking services or aggregators Nightlife guides and reviews in nightlife guides Restaurant guides and reviews in restaurant guides Blogs, forums and social networking sites (facebook, etc). Lists of links, service directories (including WiFi directories) Price comparison websites Map services Newspaper and magazine articles Personal image galleries and photo/video sharing websites (Flickr, Webshots, YouTube, etc) Personal travelogues Search engine results (http://www.google.com/search?q=Montreal) Wikipedia articles that have a different subject to the Wikitravel article Other travel guides, including audio guides, audio tours, virtual tours and webcams Vacation rental agencies that do not meet Wikitravel's rental listing criteria Tour operators that do not meet Wikitravel's tour listing criteria Rental cars operators, in cities where they are common (10 or more operating in the city). Typically we don't provide details of national car rental chains in local guides. Providing details at the national level, and mentioning the name and location at local level is sufficient if required. We should avoid links to other travel guides, to ensure we have travel information in Wikitravel, not linked from Wikitravel. This is an incentive issue; if we have lots of links to other travel guides, we lose the impetus to create our own. In addition, one of our goals is to produce a guide useful for printing or offline use, and therefore we need information to be within the article rather than linked to at another site.

In addition to not linking to other travel guides, avoid references to third-party ratings and rankings unless they are truly exceptional. For example, "Lonely Planet approved" should be avoided since there are thousands of businesses that are "Lonely Planet approved", but "rated the #2 hotel in the Middle East by Generic Travel Magazine in 2010" might be worth mentioning. Note that listings that include such references but that provide no mention of why the business is highly rated offer little value to travelers, so do not use this information instead of actually describing the establishment.

The continual changes of the hotel links in this article to what appears to be a third-party booking site violates several policies on this site, most notably Wikitravel:Don't tout and Wikitravel:External links. To the anonymous user who repeatedly makes these changes - please stop. -- Ryan • (talk) • 14:29, 30 November 2008 (EST)

Please read the policies linked above, specifically Wikitravel:External links. The site being linked to is not a web site for the hotel, it's a general reservation site, which is explicitly called out in our policies as something NOT to link to. Even if this new site is owned by the same company the Wikitravel policies are designed to prevent spamming, and redirecting official hotel/restaurant/whatever links to bucket sites is a favorite tactic of spammers. -- Ryan • (talk) • 14:44, 30 November 2008 (EST) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.101.164.201 (talk)

You are aware, aren't you, that we're not Wikitravel? Unlike many other major wikis, Wikitravel is not even affiliated with the Wikimedia Foundation, which oversees Wikipedia. Consequently, its policies are totally irrelevant to Wikipedia. Nyttend (talk) 04:31, 28 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Moreover, trying to you've copied copyrighted material from the booking website onto this talk page. That's a copyright violation, so I've removed it. Nyttend (talk) 04:33, 28 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
You've completely refactored the comments here on this talk page; between that and your appeal to irrelevant policies (you do know, don't you, that it's fine to link to copyrighted material if the source owns the copyright?), this has gotten past the point of assuming good faith—you're obviously being disruptive. To prevent continued disruption, I've semiprotected the article to prevent further disruption. Nyttend (talk) 17:09, 28 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It appears that you are completely ignoring the fact that trip advisor is a third party hotel booking site and that it is expressly stated not to link to these types of sites as stated above. If you expect others to follow the guidelines then you yourself should set the example by doing so. Until then why would you expect others not to link their third party sites as well? If you can provide a reason why your request to include Trip Advisor should circumvent the stated polices, then I would not be inclined to remove it when I see it next. Until then, please follow your own stated guidelines. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.101.164.201 (talk) 19:12, 28 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It's called you've appealed to Wikitravel guidelines. We're free to ignore all the Wikitravel guidelines that we want, because they don't apply to us. It's vaguely like laws in different countries—if you're in the USA, you're free to speak out against politicians in North Korea, even though their laws prohibit such protests, since North Korean law isn't applicable in the USA. Moreover, in your zeal to enforce guidelines, you've repeatedly violated US law by copying large segments of copyrighted text from this website: unlike Wikitravel guidelines (and Wikipedia guidelines, for that matter), there can be offwiki consequences for copyright violations. Nyttend (talk) 01:00, 1 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You seriously need to slow down on the drinking or whatever you are smoking.

I have repeatedly referenced http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:External_links and the portions that state what can and should not be linked to.

Being it appears you are somewhat dense, I will BOLD the appropriate portions for you again below. Before you take another drink or hit, Please note this is from the Wikipedia External links guidelines NOT Wikimedia.

[edit] Links normally to be avoided Shortcuts: WP:ELNO WP:FANSITE Except for a link to an official page of the article's subject, one should avoid:

Any site that does not provide a unique resource beyond what the article would contain if it became a featured article. Any site that misleads the reader by use of factually inaccurate material or unverifiable research, except to a limited extent in articles about the viewpoints which such sites are presenting. Sites containing malware, malicious scripts, trojan exploits, or illegal content. Links mainly intended to promote a website. See external link spamming. 'Links to web pages that primarily exist to sell products or services

AS IS TRIP ADVISOR

, or to web pages with objectionable amounts of advertising. For example, the mobile phone article does not link to web pages that mostly promote or advertise cell-phone products or services.

AS ITS TRIP ADVISOR

Links to sites that require payment or registration to view the relevant content, unless the site itself is the subject of the article, or the link is a convenience link to a citation.[1] See below. Sites that are inaccessible to a substantial number of users, such as sites that only work with a specific browser or in a specific country. Direct links to documents that require external applications or plugins (such as Flash or Java) to view the content, unless the article is about such file formats. See rich media for more details. Links to any search results pages, such as links to individual website searches, search engines, search aggregators, or RSS feeds. Links to social networking sites (such as MySpace and Facebook), chat or discussion forums/groups (such as Yahoo! Groups), Twitter feeds, USENET newsgroups or e-mail lists. Links to blogs, personal web pages and most fansites, except those written by a recognized authority. (This exception is meant to be very limited; as a minimum standard, recognized authorities always meet Wikipedia's notability criteria for biographies.) Links to open wikis, except those with a substantial history of stability and a substantial number of editors. Mirrors or forks of Wikipedia should not be linked. Sites that are only indirectly related to the article's subject: the link should be directly related to the subject of the article. A general site that has information about a variety of subjects should usually not be linked to from an article on a more specific subject. Similarly, a website on a specific subject should usually not be linked from an article about a general subject. If a section of a general website is devoted to the subject of the article, and meets the other criteria for linking, then that part of the site could be deep linked. Lists of links to manufacturers, suppliers or customers. Links to sites already linked through Wikipedia sourcing tools. For example, instead of linking to a commercial book site, consider the "ISBN" linking format, which gives readers an opportunity to search a wide variety of free and non-free book sources. Wikipedia:Map sources can be linked by using geographical coordinates. Links that are not reliably functional, or likely to continue being functional. For example, links to temporary internet content, where the link is unlikely to remain operable for a useful amount of time. Affiliate, tracking or referral links i.e. links that contain information about who is to be credited for readers that follow the link. If the source itself is helpful, use a neutral link without the tracking information. Placing external links on Wikipedia navigation pages such as disambiguation, redirect and category. Links to websites of organizations mentioned in an article – unless they otherwise qualify as something that should be linked or considered.[1][2] External links as entries in stand-alone lists. List entries should always have non-redirect articles on Wikipedia or a reasonable expectation that such an article is forthcoming, and thus be internally-linked only.

Please let your ego slow to a manageable pace and then you can see the trees thru the forest. Do not expect others to follow guidelines unless you yourself set the example. Your ignorance and disregard for the rules you claim you claim to enforce only demonstrate you perhaps rode the short bus to school. Otherwise this can go on forever. You can ban all the IP's you wish AOL and other IP's just have more than you have time. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.101.164.201 (talk) 01:32, 1 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Kindly follow WP:NPA; your tone is not contributing positively here. As far as this subject goes—first off, our TripAdvisor article says that it's a free website; I fail to see how a free site is capable of selling products or services. Moreover, it's not primarily an advertising website; it contains ads, but so do most other websites, and the contents of the page are primarily non-advertising links such as photos or lists of places in the village. Nyttend (talk) 02:42, 1 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

In one of your other post (deletions) you stated that because a website featured multiple hotels, it was a booking engine and could not be listed in external links. Trip advisor on the very home page allows users to enter dates, select a hotel, and make a reservation at thousands of properties (all at a commision to trip advisor) If this is not a violation of the external link policy then I don't know what is. it is CLEARLY a aggregate hotel booking system / website as well as a review website. Your attmepts to allow this to stand as an external link when it is clearly a revenue generating website that excludes those hotels who are not part of its online booking engine. From the home page you can enter dates, location and get prices and re direct to an aggregate on line booking. This is advertising pure and simple and is clealry excluded from the external links. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.101.164.201 (talk) 14:11, 1 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Find me this statement. I don't remember ever making such a statement, and I seriously doubt that I did—as far as I know, your statements are the first time that I've ever encountered the term "booking engine". I've already ceased to assume good faith with you, due to your repeated personal attacks and copyright violations; this statement is not helping your position. Nyttend (talk) 14:25, 1 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Nytend, Unless you plan on permanently protecting this page, your ignorance of the rules that you keep failing to address is not helping your position either. You AGAIN fail to address the fact that Trip Advisor is a booking engine which AGAIN is specifically addressed in the Wikipedia links NOT TO LINK TO.

Your concern for my position is well noted, and while compassionate, is irrelavent. Expedia.com, orbitz.com trvelocity.com & yada yada yada are all also free websites, and are general hotel aggregate booking engines. Is your position that they all have places in the external links section of every city they represent? And FYI a "booking engine" is a website that proffers the ability to book hotels in many geographical areas that are not specifically relavent to one particualar city.

Please answer the direct question. And for the record, I have not read anywhere that you have been attacked personally, just your methods, and it appears with good reason. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.101.164.201 (talk) 02:44, 2 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Restarting discussion[edit]

I think the above discussion went onto a bit of a tangent, so wanted to re-open the discussion on the external link to tripadvisor: http://www.tripadvisor.com/Tourism-g50497-Kelleys_Island_Ohio-Vacations.html

Tripadvisor contains several reviews which could be relevent, and those types of subpages are used within multiple other articles. But after searching their site, I can find no such reviews for Kelleys Island. Instead, this external link points to a commercial page which only has links for booking travel. It doesn't expand on the understanding of the subject, only helps in booking travel related to the destination. By including this link, Wikipedia is effectively placing tripadvisor above all other travel service providers, and is a form of advertising for tripadvisor. While I disagree with the anon's methods, I do agree with the removal of this link. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 15:19, 10 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree. If you look at the left side of the page, you'll see a stack of links (between the green boxes of "Kelleys Island" and "Free Newsletter") that point to useful pages; while not all of them are actual links, ones such as "Photos" and "Things to Do" are useful, and they seem to me to be the kind of page that our readers would find useful because they expand on the understanding of the subject. Nyttend (talk) 01:47, 14 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I already saw the links on the left - I had searched them all while trying to find anything on a subpage that would expand on an encyclopedic understanding of the community; instead, all I found were additional promotional travel booking material. The limited material found on those pages are already better addressed within the existing links, or is replaceable via a more neutral site such as dmoz. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 02:42, 14 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Ancestry of Mr. Cunningham[edit]

  In this article about Kelleys Island, Ohio is the parenthetical

sentence:

(*-Also note that the surname 'Cunningham' is not typically of French origin, but is recorded to be of Scottish origin.) 

  My mother's sister married Leslie Cunningham.  His ancestors emigrated to

Quebec from Scotland. Later (abt. 1845), some members of the family emi- grated to Ohio. A specific example is: 

  John Adam Cunningham [1]
  Birth: 29 JUN 1820 in Saint Joseph, Sl, Quebec
  Death: 10 AUG 1891 in Defiance, Defiance, Ohio, USA

His father was: 

  John Adam Cunningham [2]
  Birth: ABT 1791 in Haddington, East Lothian, Scotland
  Christening: 02 NOV 1819 Les Cedres, Sl, Quebec
  Death: ABT 1844 in Quebec

  Thus, Mr. Cunningham mentioned in the article may have also been of

Scottish ancestry but may have been born in Quebec and regarded as French by implication.

Sources: 

1. https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/2:1:MZZX-R6K
2. https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/2:1:MZZX-T71

GregOpp (talk) 19:08, 30 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

confederate prison[edit]

why is there no mention of this history?

I don't know. It might be another article. Can someone with more information on it correct the issue? Empire of Ohio (talk) 18:16, 1 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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