Talk:Khudai Khidmatgar

Khudai Khidmatgar was one of the History good articles, but it has been removed from the list. There are suggestions below for improving the article to meet the good article criteria. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.

Article milestones
Date	Process	Result
September 19, 2006	Good article nominee	Listed
June 3, 2009	Good article reassessment	Delisted

Current status: Delisted good article

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Comments[edit]

This article could use a few dates and other bits of historical context.Bjones 14:09, 6 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'll be sorting it out as soon as I get some free time Zakksez 16 February 2006 (UTC)

GA status[edit]

This is a definitely a good article. There are some small issues to be corrected based on the GA criteria.

1. It is well written

To fix – According to the Manual of Style, the lead section should be expanded to two to three paragraphs and be able to stand on its own. As a non-expert, I got confused with the use of the words Pashtuns, Pakhtuns, and Pathans until I actually read the article on the Pashtun people. It would help to state that the three really mean the same group and then consistently use one spelling throughout the article. There are some one sentence paragraphs which should be merged into larger paragraphs. Less important are some one paragraph sections that could be merged into a larger section (if possible). There is a image caption missing for 5_close.jpg.

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

To fix – There is good citing of sources, but currently a mix of Harvard referencing and footnote referencing is used. One or the other style should be used consistently. More citations would be helpful especially in the “Criticisms” section but not required.

3. It is broad in its coverage.

Pass

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

Pass

5. It is stable

Pass

6. It contains images

Pass

I have put the article on hold to let you make the changes before promoting the article to GA status. RelHistBuff 14:53, 12 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Firstly, I copy here your question you put on my talk page so that the discussions are recorded here.

Thanks for the feedback on the article I am working on your criticisms as i write this..I am not sure how to solve the pathan/pashtun/pakhtun/afghan problem though as some of the words have been interchangeable historically? --Zak 17:32, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

OK, I should note that I am a GA reviewer and not an expert on this subject. I apologise in advance for any misstatements I make. First suggestion is one could decide which word to use in the majority of the article. The Pashtun people article consistently uses "Pashtun", except in the ancestral definition section where "Pathan" is introduced. Let's say you decide on "Pashtun" as well. Then at the first instance of the word, you mention the other words. For example currently at the top: "It represented a non-violent freedom struggle against the British Empire by the Pashtuns (also called Pushtuns, Pakhtuns, and Pathans)." Then one tries to consistently use "Pashtun". This is important in the first section where you mentioned "Pakhtun society" without defining what is "Pakhtun". Could you say "Pashtun society" instead? If there is a use of "Pakhtun" that is required due to historical or other reason, then leave it as it is, but perhaps you could make a short explanation of why "Pakhtun" is used. RelHistBuff 12:06, 15 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I noted the changes done, so I promoted the article. Just one point that was missed. The lead section should really be expanded to summarize the article. It should be enough to compel the reader to read the rest of the article. Also you should also consider citing more of your sources especially in the more controversial sections. If a passage of text is not cited, an editor in the future could challenge it and eventually remove it. If it is well-cited, other editors will be able to defend it. RelHistBuff 07:31, 19 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

RHB Thanks, I'll sort out the references first and then the lead section. Your input is appreciated. --Zak 18:09, 19 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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GA Reassessment[edit]

This discussion is transcluded from Talk:Khudai Khidmatgar/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the reassessment.

I will be doing the GA Reassessment on this article as part of the GA Sweeps project. I am holding the article up to the GA Criteria. I find that the article does not meet the GA Criteria in the following ways:

MOS compliance:

The lead is too short per WP:LEAD. This was brought up in the original GA nomination but not fixed. For an article of this length at least two or even three paragraphs is acceptable. The lead is to be a summary of the article and should reference each point in the article.
The titles of sections and sub sections are not to be capitalized (except for the first word or proper names).

Images

The image at the top of the article is copyrighted and should be removed. The Fair Use rationale is not sufficient to justify its use. There are two free images in the article, one of which could replace it.

References:

The following sections have no references: Origins, The Red Shirts sub sections Structure and Ideology, Relationship with the Indian national congress, From Mass movement to political party, and The Oath of the Khudai Khidmatgar. This roughly half of the article and is a major weakness in this article. More sources are required to support the assertions in this article.
In the notes section Behroz Khan (2004) link [6] is a dead link and should be fixed.
In the external links section: Pashtun Code and Interview and Ghaffar Khan are both dead and will need to be fixed or removed.
Ref [9] links to Harrapa website but not to the Ghani Khan interview.
The format of the references is haphazard with no real continuity. Please see WP:CITE for format suggestions. The references should all match each other in format.

For example, there is a book in ref [4] that should be in the Notes section with the other books.
Ref [21] and [22] start with "Source", why?

Please follow the reference templates for citing news, books, and websites. IMO all the references will need to be redone to conform to current MOS standards.

POV

I'm concerned about the POV of this paragraph: "Khan always considered trials and tribulations, which he underwent ceaselessly, as the means by which Almighty Allah meant to fashion his life for better things. Being a great humanist, he ardently believed that human nature was not so depraved as to hinder it from respecting goodness in others. It is easy to look down on others but to make an estimate of our failing is difficult. Allah's blessings according to Bacha khan are marked for those, who submit to Allah's will and serve Almighty Allah through selfless activities for the overall good of humanity at large irrespective of caste, colour, race or religions." This appears to be a glorification and validation of Khan's work rather than a simple reporting of what happened.

Due to the myriad of problems with this article and the amount of work that will be necessary to bring it up to GA standards I am delisting this article from GA status. Should someone wish to undertake an overhaul of the article I feel it would be a worthy effort. When ready please submit the article to WP:GAC. Should editors have questions or concerns please contact me at my talk page. H1nkles (talk) 20:44, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Orphaned references in Khudai Khidmatgar[edit]

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Khudai Khidmatgar's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "badshah":

From Babrra massacre: Rajmohan Gandhi (1 January 2004). Ghaffar Khan, Nonviolent Badshah of the Pakhtuns. Penguin Books India. p. 210. ISBN 9780143065197. Official figures mentioned fifteen dead fifty injured, but KK (Khudai Khidmatgar) sources maintained that 150 had been killed and 400 wounded
From Abdul Qayyum Khan: Rajmohan Gandhi (1 January 2004). Ghaffar Khan, Nonviolent Badshah of the Pakhtuns. Penguin Books India. p. 210. Official figures mentioned fifteen dead fifty injured, but KK (Khudai Khidmatgar) sources maintained that 150 had been killed and 400 wounded

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. Feel free to remove this comment after fixing the refs. AnomieBOT ⚡ 20:19, 17 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]