Talk:King of Ryukyu

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(Comment 1)[edit]

Granted, this is the only page that combines all the lists of rulers of Okinawa prior to and including both the Sanzan period and period of unification under the Ryukyu Kingdom. Still, each of these lists individually can be found under Ryukyu Kingdom, Chuzan, Hokuzan, and Nanzan. I wonder what ought to be done. We can get rid of this list, merging its information on temple names and such (should that be deemed worth keeping) into the separate lists under each kingdom's article. Or, we can keep this list, cleaning it up and improving it, and then linking to it from each of the kingdom's articles.

I see another problem. While most if not all of the people on this list are called by the title ～王 in Japanese & Okinawan, and while that title is most commonly translated as "king" in English, there is an argument to be made that some of these figures (particularly those who ruled before the Sanzan period) were more like chieftains than kings, their societies more tribal than organized kingdoms. I'm not a perfect expert in the terminology semantics of these terms, i.e. in under what conditions it is and is not appropriate to apply terms like "king" and "kingdom", but all in all, I do think it a bit fuzzy. If we're going to include these figures, why not those who were chieftains/"lords" of the other islands prior to their absorption into the Ryukyu Kingdom, such as Oyake Akahachi or Nakasone Toyomiya?

Any thoughts would be appreciated. LordAmeth (talk) 20:11, 15 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

There are major differences between a chieftain and a lord (Aji), namely that a chieftain doesn't answer to a higher authority. The "kings of the Ryūkyūs" were chieftains that were basically chosen to lead. The Sanzan period came about when some of the stronger Aji realized that their "King" had no real authority. Even during the Sanzan period this weak authority of the "kings" persisted until the island was united under a true kingdom. Although they weren't technically "kings" or "kingdoms", they called themselves such, so it's ok to call them that as long as you know otherwise. Your two examples didn't consider themselves to be kings. Maybe another list should be started at List of Aji of Ryukyu Islands? ミーラー強斗武 (talk) 19:26, 16 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

(Comment 2)[edit]

I was researching and noticed something that doesn't quite make sense. In the "First Sho Dynasty" it says "Thus, in 1422, the Hongwu Emperor recognized Hashi as king, gave Hashi the surname Shō (尚) as the designator for his dynasty, and gave a new name to the country: Ryukyu Kingdom.[2]" But this seems impossible as the Hongwu emperor died in 1398, and the Emperor at the time would be the Yongle emperor. How could Ryukyu unify in 1422 and receive recognition from the Hongwu Emperor? — Preceding unsigned comment added by SF. Jaffar (talk • contribs) 02:05, 31 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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"King of Ryukyu" was also one of the official title. It's the most common used title by modern historians[edit]

"King of Ryukyu" was also one of the official title, it was mentioned in Ryukyuan, Chinese, Korean and Japanese sources. And, "King of Ryukyu" is also the MOST COMMON USED title by modern historians, it is used by The New Encyclopaedia Britannica (1983). The so-called "King of Chuzan of the State of Ryukyu" is a translated name of "琉球国中山王" created by User:Nanshu, the translated name is too long and ugly. Today, modern historians translate "琉球国" as Ryukyu Kingdom, NO ONE translated it as the so-called "State of Ryukyu" except him. WE SHOULD NOT ACCEPT ANY ORIGINAL RESEARCH NAME like this. What was worse, in many Ryukyuan articles, he replaced "King of Ryukyu" with the so-called "King of Chuzan of the State of Ryukyu". Oh no. Oops...

User:Nanshu repeatedly removed the "King of Ryukyu" (琉球國王/琉球国王) from this article without any justification. It is obvious that he has never read any important primary sources, or never read them carefully. Actually, the title "King of Ryukyu" are mentioned in Ryukyuan sources Chūzan Seikan and Chūzan Seifu, Chinese sources Ming Shilu and Qing Shilu, Korean source Veritable Records of the Joseon Dynasty, Japanese source Tsūkō ichiran several times. Below are the original texts from these sources:





"King of Ryukyu" is also the MOST COMMON USED title by modern historians:


We can see, the Encyclopaedia Britannica used the name "King of Ryukyu", not "King of Chuzan". "KING OF RYUKYU" IS THE MOST COMMON USED NAME.--El caballero de los Leones (talk) 16:12, 24 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 25 March 2021[edit]

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The result of the move request was: moved. (non-admin closure) Vpab15 (talk) 21:17, 13 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]


Genealogy of the Kings of Chūzan → King of Ryukyu – User:Nanshu has renamed it without discussion. However, this article is an introduction to the title "King of Ryukyu", it's not a genealogy; if it's a genealogy, it MUST HAVE FAMILY TREES (like this). Second, we should use "King of Ryukyu" instead of "King of Chuzan"; the most COMMON USED name is "King of Ryukyu", not "King of Chūzan" (see above). El caballero de los Leones (talk) 11:01, 25 March 2021 (UTC) —Relisting. ~ Aseleste (t, e | c, l) 10:34, 3 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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25 generations over 17 THOUSAND years?[edit]

Can someone please explain what the sentence

"The 25 generations of the Tenson Dynasty ruled the land for 17,802 years, but their names are unknown."

means. Because a human generation usually is about 16 to 45 years. Even at maximum, 45 x 25 = 1125, ie FIFTEEN TIMES less than the claimed period. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.245.191.150 (talk) 02:44, 6 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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